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The way things are going, I can see the other 4 countries kicking the US out. Or maybe forming their own Org and not feed anything to the US.

by jmclnx 2y ago

dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago
For each % increase in tariffs, reduce sharing by that %.
- robocat 2y ago
  Silly. It's the 0.0000001% of the most valuable data (to the US) that matters.
  - dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago
    Apply it to just the key stuff then.
lucasyvas 2y ago
It’s probably in the interest of NATO, G7, and Five Eyes to not publicly announce removal attempts for the US. That said, at this point they would be silly if they didn’t shadow ban the US and make alternate arrangements without it included. Feeding incorrect information to the US is an advantage now, so the US will be made to believe it’s involved.
AtlasBarfed 2y ago
I mean, our CIA, DIA, and NSA are so fundamentally compromised, I agree. It doesn't matter if the President is or is not some mole agent. Everything he has done in the first two months is a wet dream for Putin. Across the board. Isolate/sever ties with EU and NATO. Threaten allies. Disrupt FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA with mass firings and incompetent leaders. Clear out the military leadership. Threaten Ukraine. Say Ukraine caused the war. Negotiate "peace" without Ukraine. Pro-Putin Musk rooting around with access rights everywhere. Starting trade wars. Disrupt EV/alt energy to extend primacy of petroleum. Cut off funding of Ukraine. So it should be assumed that Putin owns the White House and the US intelligence apparatus. Either that, or any intelligence defense is fundamentally compromised.
- brettkromkamp 2y ago
  This!
- immibis 2y ago
  It's worth noting that all those things you mentioned about Ukraine are standard practice for Palestine and no one bats an eye.
  - AtlasBarfed 2y ago
    Ukraine-Russia is basically a fight for the integrity of Europe against Putin. From the perspective of the West, it is a slam dunk to support Ukraine against Putin, a despicable evil militaristic autocrat. Ukraine isn't paid to be a thorn in Russia's side lobbing rockets and sending suicide bombers. It's not a terrorist state. Palestine-Israel is a tragedy of geopolitical manipulation by Iran, Egypt, UAE, and the Sunni-Shia divide, and of course the US. On one side, it's a bunch of mafia terrorists supported by Iran and other "bad" people. On the other side is an extremist right wing government that was politically enabled by Palestinian terrorism and the inherent tribal hatred in the region. Israel is essentially a democracy. What those voters voted in is another issue, but we're dealing with that here too. The real tragedy of the Palestinians is that the world let them think they cared about them. They don't. We are entering a world of general conflict and tension, one where simultaneously oil will mean less and less. I care way more about Ukraine and Russia than the Israel-Palestine conflict. The Palestinians survive on external aid almost exclusively. That aid is going to dry up in the next decade, and ... I see nothing but humanitarian disaster to follow. The Palestinians would be wise to throw themselves at the mercy of Israel and lay down all weapons, it is the only way they won't mass starve in the next ten years.
robocat 2y ago
New Zealand bends over for the US. I imagine NZ is very unlikely to opt out (even though the US surely snarfs our private data and abuses it to our detriment). This century with modern technology and social media, the US has incredible insight into private NZ information regardless of NZ desires. The US monitoring Angela Merkel is the tip of the iceberg. I was directly told our intelligence services were given TEMPEST equipment in late 80's or early 90's. That's one benefit of an alliance with the US. There was a historical scandal where NZ released a search term NZ had used to gain political advantage over a friendly country. I'm feeling a bit 1984 because I can't find the details at the moment. I imagine our intelligence service is quite happy to use XKEYSCORE. There's also this quote: "Trying to get out of the Five Eyes is - how can I put it? - it's like trying to get out of the mafia." It's not a subject I know a lot about: so my opinions are likely extremely ignorant. One of our prime ministers revealed that Australian politicians knew more than most of our own elected politicians in the 80's about the topic of intelligence gathering in NZ by the US. Good modern background on NZ's role in the UKUSA agreement: https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/perfidious-aotearoa-new-zealands-five-eyes-problem/ https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/pe... which basically says that NZ is just another Pacific Island when it comes to being manipulated by intelligent Chinese interests. A bit of background from Snowdon: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/edward-snowden-leaked-papers-reveal-rogue-spying-tool-found-in-gcsb-was-likely-used-to-hunt-war-on-terror-targets-and-spy-on-china/SFXKM3PPZFEXTOE2NZIBPKWY7A/ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/edward-snowden-leaked...
- AprilisKalends 2y ago
  I was always told that Fives Eyes was about each country watching the others backs by doing spying on their citizens that countries couldn't do internally. I remember there was that MP in NZ who was blocked for CCP connection by the US IIRC.
normalaccess 2y ago
I can see a world where the US would want that to happen. If they kick the US out then the US will be free to spy on the others without needing the loopholes that 5 Eyes created in the first place.

The way things are going, I can see the other 4 countries kicking the US out. Or maybe forming their own Org and not feed anything to the US.

by jmclnx 2y ago

The way things are going, I can see the other 4 countries kicking the US out. Or maybe forming their own Org and not feed anything to the US.

dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago

For each % increase in tariffs, reduce sharing by that %.

robocat 2y ago
Silly. It's the 0.0000001% of the most valuable data (to the US) that matters.
- dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago
  Apply it to just the key stuff then.

lucasyvas 2y ago

It’s probably in the interest of NATO, G7, and Five Eyes to not publicly announce removal attempts for the US. That said, at this point they would be silly if they didn’t shadow ban the US and make alternate arrangements without it included. Feeding incorrect information to the US is an advantage now, so the US will be made to believe it’s involved.

AtlasBarfed 2y ago

I mean, our CIA, DIA, and NSA are so fundamentally compromised, I agree. It doesn't matter if the President is or is not some mole agent. Everything he has done in the first two months is a wet dream for Putin. Across the board. Isolate/sever ties with EU and NATO. Threaten allies. Disrupt FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA with mass firings and incompetent leaders. Clear out the military leadership. Threaten Ukraine. Say Ukraine caused the war. Negotiate "peace" without Ukraine. Pro-Putin Musk rooting around with access rights everywhere. Starting trade wars. Disrupt EV/alt energy to extend primacy of petroleum. Cut off funding of Ukraine. So it should be assumed that Putin owns the White House and the US intelligence apparatus. Either that, or any intelligence defense is fundamentally compromised.

brettkromkamp 2y ago
This!
immibis 2y ago
It's worth noting that all those things you mentioned about Ukraine are standard practice for Palestine and no one bats an eye.
- AtlasBarfed 2y ago
  Ukraine-Russia is basically a fight for the integrity of Europe against Putin. From the perspective of the West, it is a slam dunk to support Ukraine against Putin, a despicable evil militaristic autocrat. Ukraine isn't paid to be a thorn in Russia's side lobbing rockets and sending suicide bombers. It's not a terrorist state. Palestine-Israel is a tragedy of geopolitical manipulation by Iran, Egypt, UAE, and the Sunni-Shia divide, and of course the US. On one side, it's a bunch of mafia terrorists supported by Iran and other "bad" people. On the other side is an extremist right wing government that was politically enabled by Palestinian terrorism and the inherent tribal hatred in the region. Israel is essentially a democracy. What those voters voted in is another issue, but we're dealing with that here too. The real tragedy of the Palestinians is that the world let them think they cared about them. They don't. We are entering a world of general conflict and tension, one where simultaneously oil will mean less and less. I care way more about Ukraine and Russia than the Israel-Palestine conflict. The Palestinians survive on external aid almost exclusively. That aid is going to dry up in the next decade, and ... I see nothing but humanitarian disaster to follow. The Palestinians would be wise to throw themselves at the mercy of Israel and lay down all weapons, it is the only way they won't mass starve in the next ten years.

robocat 2y ago

New Zealand bends over for the US. I imagine NZ is very unlikely to opt out (even though the US surely snarfs our private data and abuses it to our detriment). This century with modern technology and social media, the US has incredible insight into private NZ information regardless of NZ desires. The US monitoring Angela Merkel is the tip of the iceberg. I was directly told our intelligence services were given TEMPEST equipment in late 80's or early 90's. That's one benefit of an alliance with the US. There was a historical scandal where NZ released a search term NZ had used to gain political advantage over a friendly country. I'm feeling a bit 1984 because I can't find the details at the moment. I imagine our intelligence service is quite happy to use XKEYSCORE. There's also this quote: "Trying to get out of the Five Eyes is - how can I put it? - it's like trying to get out of the mafia." It's not a subject I know a lot about: so my opinions are likely extremely ignorant. One of our prime ministers revealed that Australian politicians knew more than most of our own elected politicians in the 80's about the topic of intelligence gathering in NZ by the US. Good modern background on NZ's role in the UKUSA agreement: https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/perfidious-aotearoa-new-zealands-five-eyes-problem/ https://www.internationalaffairs.org.au/australianoutlook/pe... which basically says that NZ is just another Pacific Island when it comes to being manipulated by intelligent Chinese interests. A bit of background from Snowdon: https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/edward-snowden-leaked-papers-reveal-rogue-spying-tool-found-in-gcsb-was-likely-used-to-hunt-war-on-terror-targets-and-spy-on-china/SFXKM3PPZFEXTOE2NZIBPKWY7A/ https://www.nzherald.co.nz/nz/politics/edward-snowden-leaked...

AprilisKalends 2y ago
I was always told that Fives Eyes was about each country watching the others backs by doing spying on their citizens that countries couldn't do internally. I remember there was that MP in NZ who was blocked for CCP connection by the US IIRC.

normalaccess 2y ago

I can see a world where the US would want that to happen. If they kick the US out then the US will be free to spy on the others without needing the loopholes that 5 Eyes created in the first place.