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US asked to kick UK out of Five Eyes
- drawkward 2y ago>In a letter to the recently appointed US Director of National Intelligence (DNI) Tulsi Gabbard, senator Ron Wyden of Colorada and representative Andy Biggs of Arizona bluntly ask the administration to kick the UK out of the 65-year-old UK-USA signals intelligence sharing agreement, commonly known as Five Eyes, if they do not now withdraw the demand to Apple. I want to know where the fuck Colarada is. Also, Wyden represents Oregon.
- dylan604 2y ago[flagged]
- Brybry 2y agoBack when I could actually DM journalists on Twitter about errors in articles they would sometimes tell me that editors introduced the errors without their knowledge. For example, an article would mention a county in the US and the editor would add information with county population and state. But the editor would mistake the county for one with the same name in completely different state.
- BoredPositron 2y agoThe first sentence reads like an SNL sketch.
- librasteve 2y agoIt’s one of the four corner states … Colorada, Arizani, Now Mexico and Utoh
- saurik 2y agoThe real question: do we invite another country to take their seat, or do we rename the arrangement to Four Eyes?
- Finnucane 2y agoat least there’d be an obvious new logo.
- dylan604 2y agookay, now that's worth doing just for the logo
- Eddy_Viscosity2 2y agoClearly Trump wants Russia to join 5 eyes.
- dylan604 2y agoHe could just invite Russian operatives to his resort and specify which restroom they should use during their stay. That would have been the much more low key way, but of course 2.0 is about not being low key
- toomuchtodo 2y agoHe will simply provide StarLink terminals, with a patch cable crossing classification boundaries somewhere internally.
- dkjaudyeqooe 2y agoTrump and Putin can have their own and call it something trendy like "My Opia".
- readyplayernull 2y ago> FBI Warns iPhone, Android Users—We Want ‘Lawful Access’ To All Your Encrypted Data https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/02/24/fbis-new-iphone-android-security-warning-is-now-critical/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/zakdoffman/2025/02/24/fbis-new-...
- jauntywundrkind 2y agoThe only people who should have mandatory decryption on all communications are government officials, so that the democracy can be assured of preserving the records required by law. Actual decryption of such records should be very difficult, with enormous audit logging. I'm terrified what happens to democracy when the people in power are all using Signal. When the president goes around ripping up official documents he doesn't like, or making up read-outs that fabricate a story. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/03/trump-documents-national-archives-release-records-about-recovery-effort.html https://www.cnbc.com/2022/10/03/trump-documents-national-arc...
- sitzkrieg 2y agoif the government can unencrypt in any capacity whatsoever there is effective zero encryption at play. US are already failing physical audits lol
- immibis 2y agoIt won't. All countries are already doing this to each other, Five Eyes or not. The US does exactly this to the UK.
- breadwinner 2y agohttps://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/politics/germany-media-spying-obama-administration/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2015/07/03/politics/germany-media-spying...
- chippiewill 2y agoIt would be a bit bizarre. The US relies on the UK to do half their domestic spying for them.
- dylan604 2y agoThere are 3 other sets of eyes that could pick up the slack.
- dullcrisp 2y agoIt’s five eyes, not ten eyes!
- Rebelgecko 2y agoPresumably that's why they're asking - doesn't seem like the congressmen like the UK having access to Apple users' data
- mistrial9 2y agothere is a theory of real politik that says, when the laws actually touch the lives of the lawmakers, that is when the decision changes.. something like that.. How many US Congress members have iPhones? How many have concerns about others reading their msgs ?
- moonlet 2y agoPretty sure the other four should just kick the US out at this point
- votepaunchy 2y agoAs should NATO.
- SavageNoble 2y agoCalm down there Ivan.
- jmclnx 2y agoThe way things are going, I can see the other 4 countries kicking the US out. Or maybe forming their own Org and not feed anything to the US.
- dkjaudyeqooe 2y agoFor each % increase in tariffs, reduce sharing by that %.
- robocat 2y agoSilly. It's the 0.0000001% of the most valuable data (to the US) that matters.
- dkjaudyeqooe 2y agoApply it to just the key stuff then.
- lucasyvas 2y agoIt’s probably in the interest of NATO, G7, and Five Eyes to not publicly announce removal attempts for the US. That said, at this point they would be silly if they didn’t shadow ban the US and make alternate arrangements without it included. Feeding incorrect information to the US is an advantage now, so the US will be made to believe it’s involved.
- AtlasBarfed 2y agoI mean, our CIA, DIA, and NSA are so fundamentally compromised, I agree. It doesn't matter if the President is or is not some mole agent. Everything he has done in the first two months is a wet dream for Putin. Across the board. Isolate/sever ties with EU and NATO. Threaten allies. Disrupt FBI, CIA, DIA, NSA with mass firings and incompetent leaders. Clear out the military leadership. Threaten Ukraine. Say Ukraine caused the war. Negotiate "peace" without Ukraine. Pro-Putin Musk rooting around with access rights everywhere. Starting trade wars. Disrupt EV/alt energy to extend primacy of petroleum. Cut off funding of Ukraine. So it should be assumed that Putin owns the White House and the US intelligence apparatus. Either that, or any intelligence defense is fundamentally compromised.
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoThat's the stupidest thing I've heard this month. (Yes, I am aware of what the rest of the month has been like.) Either these people have no idea how valuable Five Eyes is, or they know but are still willing to destroy it in a temper tantrum or an attempt at a power play. Either way, they need fired yesterday.
- anthony_d 2y agoWhy is your ire directed at the US here? Spying on each others citizens is one thing, but the UK is attempting to both prevent the US from having meaningful consumer encryption and destroy trust in US corporations. I’m a bit shocked that an ostensibly tech site seems fine with the UK trying to destroy consumer encryption globally.
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoBecause this discussion is about the US response, which is completely ham-handed and destructive. The UK position is also appalling, but that's not what we're discussing here.
- trwahg 2y agoIs this administration using reverse psychology on the Europeans? The way they treat Europe makes Europeans like things they did not like before. Some Europeans now like nuclear weapons, surveillance, the five eyes, getting real tough on Russia. Sounds exactly like a traditional conservative agenda. Everything this administration does is a psychological game. Sometimes there are indicators, e.g., today the UN security council rubber stamped the Russia friendly resolution. This may or may not mean that the peace efforts are serious. (Incidentally: Dear Tulsi, the US has been spying on the EU for decades and has special arrangements like access to all EU SWIFT transactions. But I guess you knew that already.)
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