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This is incorrect. Often times manufacturers will lock down the systems that can report statistics and reset failures to only work with their proprietary tools.

This is incorrect. Often times manufacturers will lock down the systems that can report statistics and reset failures to only work with their proprietary tools. They will not sell these tools and force people to go to the dealer. After a while the dealer can close or not sell that tool anymore and now people have an expensive paperweight that caused tons of emissions to create.

bluGill 2y ago
This is often accused but it is already a violation of federal laws that have been around for ages. It is called obd and covers a lot more than emissions. right to repair may cover more but it isn't nearly as useful for normal diagnostics.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  OBD isn't enough anymore.
  - bluGill 2y ago
    You are confusing OBD for OBDII. OBD was always enough, but also manufacture/vehcile specific. OBDII was required by law and never enough except for some really basic (but common) things.
- olyjohn 2y ago
  Have you ever worked on a car? OBD standards literally only require emissions controls to be openly diagnosed. The rest of the CEL codes can 100% be vendor specific. So when your body control module shits out, and you can't lock and unlock your doors anymore, you're fucked. When your ABS light comes on, and all you need to do is replace a $10 wheel speed sensor, you still need an expensive proprietary code reader to read the codes. "OBD II is an acronym for On-Board Diagnostic II, the second generation of on-board self-diagnostic equipment requirements for light- and medium-duty California vehicles. On-board diagnostic capabilities are incorporated into the hardware and software of a vehicle's on-board computer to monitor virtually every component that can affect emission performance. " Yes a lot of the primary engine functions affect emissions, but the majority of diagnostic codes on modern cars are not available to standard OBDII readers. Once you get outside of the engine, forget it. Every module in modern cars now is VIN-locked and can only be swapped in by a dealer, or some kind of cracked 3rd party software if you're lucky.
  - p0w3n3d 2y ago
    I had to find on some strange forum the CEL codes to monitor my DPF. Otherwise I would never know when it is filling up and never be able to reach out a highway to allow it to clean nicely. This shouldn't be obscure. But they keep saying "hey this is our intellectual property"
  - bluGill 2y ago
    I used to work for a third party scan tool Maker. We got a lot more data than just the obdii codes by law. We did have to pay 'a reasonable price' which was around $100k so not in reach of people but nothing to a company. we didn't use a lot of the data but I had it for weird systems.
  - bluGill 2y ago
    You are confusing OBDII for OBD - they are different. OBDII covers emissions and never was enough for most diagnosis. There are other laws in place - though I don't recall what they are.

bluGill 2y ago

This is often accused but it is already a violation of federal laws that have been around for ages. It is called obd and covers a lot more than emissions. right to repair may cover more but it isn't nearly as useful for normal diagnostics.

Dylan16807 2y ago
OBD isn't enough anymore.
- bluGill 2y ago
  You are confusing OBD for OBDII. OBD was always enough, but also manufacture/vehcile specific. OBDII was required by law and never enough except for some really basic (but common) things.
olyjohn 2y ago
Have you ever worked on a car? OBD standards literally only require emissions controls to be openly diagnosed. The rest of the CEL codes can 100% be vendor specific. So when your body control module shits out, and you can't lock and unlock your doors anymore, you're fucked. When your ABS light comes on, and all you need to do is replace a $10 wheel speed sensor, you still need an expensive proprietary code reader to read the codes. "OBD II is an acronym for On-Board Diagnostic II, the second generation of on-board self-diagnostic equipment requirements for light- and medium-duty California vehicles. On-board diagnostic capabilities are incorporated into the hardware and software of a vehicle's on-board computer to monitor virtually every component that can affect emission performance. " Yes a lot of the primary engine functions affect emissions, but the majority of diagnostic codes on modern cars are not available to standard OBDII readers. Once you get outside of the engine, forget it. Every module in modern cars now is VIN-locked and can only be swapped in by a dealer, or some kind of cracked 3rd party software if you're lucky.
- p0w3n3d 2y ago
  I had to find on some strange forum the CEL codes to monitor my DPF. Otherwise I would never know when it is filling up and never be able to reach out a highway to allow it to clean nicely. This shouldn't be obscure. But they keep saying "hey this is our intellectual property"
- bluGill 2y ago
  I used to work for a third party scan tool Maker. We got a lot more data than just the obdii codes by law. We did have to pay 'a reasonable price' which was around $100k so not in reach of people but nothing to a company. we didn't use a lot of the data but I had it for weird systems.
- bluGill 2y ago
  You are confusing OBDII for OBD - they are different. OBDII covers emissions and never was enough for most diagnosis. There are other laws in place - though I don't recall what they are.