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> roman salutes It's worth noting that the Romans never did this. There was a fairly brief period in the 19th century where it was kind of a pop-culture Roman
by rsynnott 2y ago
> roman salutes
It's worth noting that the Romans never did this. There was a fairly brief period in the 19th century where it was kind of a pop-culture Roman thing (it showed up in plays about Ancient Rome, that sort of thing), and then it was adopted by various nationalist groups, including the Italian fascists, and, ultimately, the Nazis.
Unless you're a theatre fan who's been in a coma for the last 150 years, though, it's a fascist (or Nazi) salute; the use of the 'roman salute' term is (potentially accidental; I think maybe some people do think it was a real thing) sanewashing.
- ErikBjare 2y agoThe Bellamy salute on the other hand was actually used to accompany the US Pledge of Allegiance 1892-1942: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bellamy_salute
- drawkward 2y ago>Later, during the 1920s and 1930s, Italian fascists and Nazi Germans adopted a salute which was very similar, which they attributed to the so-called Roman salute, a gesture that is wrongly thought to have been used in ancient Rome. This resulted in controversy over the use of the Bellamy salute in the United States. It was officially replaced by the hand-over-heart salute when Congress amended the Flag Code on December 22, 1942. In other words, when people decided "fuck that, I dont want to look like a Nazi" they did something different. Which is precisely why what Musk did was a Nazi salute. Because we know not to do them for fear of being mistaken for a Nazi. The deniability is implausible at this stage.
- epoxy_sauce 2y ago[dead]
- alabastervlog 2y agoHe did it twice. And I’m up to counting four more republicans who have done it since, not just caught in an awkward still with their arm out, just full-on did the thing in front of people on purpose. At least one of them at CPAC the other day. At least they’ve cut through any doubt about how to treat their entire party in a hurry. Anyone still with them is in-fact a nazi.
- drawkward 2y ago>I’m up to counting four more republicans who have done it since Names?
- croisillon 2y agoBannon
- rsynnott 2y agoOh, bloody hell, totally forgot about him. Has he emerged from his lair again? Would've assumed he was in disgrace after defrauding all those Trump fans. Like, he literally did an affinity fraud on Trump supporters. Have they actually forgiven him?!
- epoxy_sauce 2y ago[flagged]
- cogman10 2y ago> the use of the 'roman salute' term is (potentially accidental; I think maybe some people do think it was a real thing) sanewashing. It's used because YouTube and tiktok will demonetized you for saying Nazi. TikTok, in particular, has pretty aggressive live stream killing policies. It's lead to weird things like streamers saying "grape" for "rape" and "unalive" for "kill".
- rsynnott 2y agoHuh, I actually didn't know that (as a certified Old Person I use neither on a regular basis). That maybe does explain why people are doing it to some extent. Talk about unintended consequences...
- mckirk 2y agoTIL about the term 'sanewashing'; thanks, I'll definitely use that. In exchange, I offer a cool word I learned yesterday: The Broligarchs.