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You seem to be speaking from a position of privilege though. A white, straight male who already has accumulated some assets will probably be fine. I'm not so su

You seem to be speaking from a position of privilege though. A white, straight male who already has accumulated some assets will probably be fine. I'm not so sure about everyone else though. I also think framing this as just a culture war is downplaying the dismantling of the US government and US influence around the world. Cozying up to Putin for example, will likely have geopolitical ramifications for decades.

ReptileMan 2y ago
> Cozying up to Putin for example, will likely have geopolitical ramifications for decades. Yes. It will help reign in China.
- amanaplanacanal 2y ago
  So far only one of those two has invaded neighboring countries.
- matwood 2y ago
  No it won’t. It shows China the US won’t stop expansionism. Further, the US pulling out all over the world leaves a huge power vacuum open for China to step in.
TinkersW 2y ago
The second you say something like that first sentence you have already lost the argument. Which is annoying as the US is going to face some serious consequences from Trumps idiocy, phrasing it the way you did, is handing the future to Trump and his kind.
- fragmede 2y ago
  What word/phrase would you use instead to highlight the fact that for some people, sure, it's just some crap on the Internet, that it's just a bunch of hot air, a theoretical culture war, fought from the comfort of their couch, but that for other people, they've lost jobs, friends and family have been deported, they've lost their healthcare because the doctors were fired and the clinics unfunded. People are going to lose their farms. I mean, sure, they probably didn't die, but I'd call losing your job, having to sell the farm, not seeing the doctor, being forced into bankruptcy maybe a little bit of a shade of being "not fine". That's ignoring any problems in a war zone like Ukraine or the West Bank. But so okay, let's be sensitive to others, and avoid using the word "privilege". What word/phrase better describes the situation where for some people, the harm is largely theoretical; something happening to other people, and that for a different set of people, there's real life ramifications to stuff the p-word people only hear about on the news.
- matwood 2y ago
  Not sure how stating a fact is losing the argument. Notice I put a lot of qualifiers on what privilege means. Young people with no assets are getting crushed, good luck ever affording a house. Women are losing rights at an alarming rate. Non-white people are being demonized. The trend was clear pre-COVID, but accelerated during COVID. The K recovery is real and those on the upslope will likely continue to be just fine while everyone else continues to go backwards - even large segments of Trump voters.
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ReptileMan 2y ago

> Cozying up to Putin for example, will likely have geopolitical ramifications for decades. Yes. It will help reign in China.

amanaplanacanal 2y ago
So far only one of those two has invaded neighboring countries.
matwood 2y ago
No it won’t. It shows China the US won’t stop expansionism. Further, the US pulling out all over the world leaves a huge power vacuum open for China to step in.

TinkersW 2y ago

The second you say something like that first sentence you have already lost the argument. Which is annoying as the US is going to face some serious consequences from Trumps idiocy, phrasing it the way you did, is handing the future to Trump and his kind.

fragmede 2y ago
What word/phrase would you use instead to highlight the fact that for some people, sure, it's just some crap on the Internet, that it's just a bunch of hot air, a theoretical culture war, fought from the comfort of their couch, but that for other people, they've lost jobs, friends and family have been deported, they've lost their healthcare because the doctors were fired and the clinics unfunded. People are going to lose their farms. I mean, sure, they probably didn't die, but I'd call losing your job, having to sell the farm, not seeing the doctor, being forced into bankruptcy maybe a little bit of a shade of being "not fine". That's ignoring any problems in a war zone like Ukraine or the West Bank. But so okay, let's be sensitive to others, and avoid using the word "privilege". What word/phrase better describes the situation where for some people, the harm is largely theoretical; something happening to other people, and that for a different set of people, there's real life ramifications to stuff the p-word people only hear about on the news.
matwood 2y ago
Not sure how stating a fact is losing the argument. Notice I put a lot of qualifiers on what privilege means. Young people with no assets are getting crushed, good luck ever affording a house. Women are losing rights at an alarming rate. Non-white people are being demonized. The trend was clear pre-COVID, but accelerated during COVID. The K recovery is real and those on the upslope will likely continue to be just fine while everyone else continues to go backwards - even large segments of Trump voters.

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