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I'm confused. Wasn't there sanctions against Chinese companies about Hopper GPUs? Are they just admitting that they had access to H100 against the US sanctions?
by mohsen1 2y ago
I'm confused. Wasn't there sanctions against Chinese companies about Hopper GPUs? Are they just admitting that they had access to H100 against the US sanctions?!
- thot_experiment 2y agoJust the H100, the H800 is a region-specific version of the card for china with shitty nvlink bandwidth which makes it rougher for making big clusters, but deepseek was able to mitigate the impact of that by being clever (rumored to have made significant use of PTX assembly instead of just using CUDA, we'll probably find out in the releases this week)
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- Tiberium 2y agoH800 is the export variant that they had access to. They directly reference it in the repo: >Achieving up to 3000 GB/s in memory-bound configuration and 580 TFLOPS in computation-bound configuration on H800 SXM5, using CUDA 12.6.
- ahofmann 2y agoIt isn't illegal for chinese companies to buy H100 cards. It is illegal for USA companies to sell them to China. So the "admit" part wouldn't be on Chinas side.
- jofzar 2y agoIt's also totally legal to sell h100 cards to a country that is very close to China. Unrelated, it's always impressed me how Singapore buys 15% of the world's h100's. Really is the AI development capital of the world.
- xbmcuser 2y agoNot really Singapore is a trading hub a lot of multi national companies have regional offices or head offices in Singapore so if the head office buys anything for any where the purchase will show up as Singapore. Despite Nvidia showing such a large revenue from Singapore actual number of gpu shipped to Singapore is not that high. Not that some of the gpus are not going China but their is a valid reason for the Nvidia Singapore revenue numbers. https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/deepseek-gpu-smuggling-probe-shows-nvidias-singapore-gpu-sales-are-28-percent-of-its-revenue-but-only-1-percent-are-delivered-to-the-country-report https://www.tomshardware.com/tech-industry/deepseek-gpu-smug...
- samvher 2y agoI can't tell if you're insinuating that Singapore is a pass-through for H100's heading towards China or whether there is some significant development taking place in Singapore that I'm unaware of?
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- dist-epoch 2y ago> Singapore plays a vital role in Nvidia's global business, accounting for 22% of its revenue as of Q3 FY2025, up from 9% in Q3 FY2023 when the first significant restrictions on AI GPU sales to Chinese were introduced
- _t9ow 2y agoI suggest that you read this comment, which explains why your quote is misleading: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43159362 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43159362
- janalsncm 2y agoIt’s funny how this claim is able to make the rounds. I originally heard it here: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_1f-o0nqpEI https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_1f-o0nqpEI Singapore is the billing location, not the shipping location, which makes sense because they’re the HQ of a lot of companies in the region.
- amelius 2y agoAlso breaking the law to growth-hack happens all the time, see Uber.
- kridsdale1 2y agoAnd the British East India Company
- WiSaGaN 2y agoH20 is a Hopper GPU, and they are allowed to be sold in China.
- feverzsj 2y agoThe secret ingredient is smuggling.
- tasuki 2y agoI'd be very careful when using that word in this situation. If China wants X, and another country has X, who are you to say they shouldn't trade with each other?
- randomNumber7 2y agoDonald Trump?
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoWhy does anyone need to be careful using that word? What a bizarre way to try to intimidate someone over speech. Another country has X because they were expected (in the terms of their purchase) to not sell it to an adversary. So yes they’re supposed to honor that agreement and are not supposed to trade that particular thing X with each other. Not doing so invites sanctions and other consequences. Is it worth the risk just to do business with a dictatorship? Probably not.
- defrost 2y agoIf free citizens in the USofA have {X} and China has sanctioned Germany from having {X} should the free citizens of the USofA honor that agreement they made with China to not sell to Germany when they acquired {X} from China? How about if they got {X} from Mexico ( who got it from Agnes .. ) ?
- Keyframe 2y agoSome purchases come with strict protocols coded into contracts. Try buying F-35 and selling it to China, for example; See what happens. Other risk you not being able to purchase for yourself anymore and possible sanctions. H100 and others are under export control, I'm just not sure if it's an explicit export control or automatic, like what famously made PowerMac G4 a weapon export. I found a source there was an executive order for hardware exceeding 1e26 floating point operations or 1e23 integer operations. In any case, if an item is under export control that means paperwork and, if you're eligible to purchase, paperwork includes you also signing what you can and cannot do with the item purchased.
- jonplackett 2y agoCan everyone stop downvoting people just for asking questions - this isn’t Stack Overflow!
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