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Given that the content described in the partnership here is part of a DLC, I wonder if the Tribe is party to any profit sharing agreement with the game company.
by ending 2y ago
Given that the content described in the partnership here is part of a DLC, I wonder if the Tribe is party to any profit sharing agreement with the game company.
- deviantbit 2y ago[flagged]
- orange_joe 2y agocouldn’t you just ignore them?
- deviantbit 2y agoHow? If you enter into a contract with them, it has to be litigated in their tribal court. Who do you think is going to win? The chief sits on the court as the judge and jury.
- repeekad 2y agoEntering into a contract doesn’t sound like ignoring, we did it to them only makes sense they can get away with exactly the same thing now
- titmouse 2y agoAh yes, the ole "two wrongs DO make a right" argument
- ronsor 2y ago> If you enter into a contract with them, it has to be litigated in their tribal court. Isn't it possible (and typical) for contracts to specify a particular forum for dispute resolution?
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> Isn't it possible (and typical) for contracts to specify a particular forum for dispute resolution? Tribes are sovereign under U.S. law. In most cases when you sign a contract with a tribe (or under tribal law), the tribe is free to modify it ex post facto.
- physicles 2y agoLooks like they learned this from the US government, which signed a series of treaties with the various Indian groups in the 1800s and then ignored the treaties.
- smeeger 2y agohow is it an argument when both sides are so deliciously correct
- chrisco255 2y agoThat's true of all of human history. Alliances shift between nations, disagreements occur, war breaks out and the map gets redrawn.
- tsimionescu 2y agoThe USA is really on another level than many other nations in its lack of respect for treaties, at least in modern times. Anyone who signs an agreement with the USA should really expect at most 3-4 years of validity, depending where in the election cycle it was signed.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> USA is really on another level than many other nations in its lack of respect for treaties, at least in modern times Uh, not really. We basically have a pattern of countries with excess power-projection capabilities going on a rampage as soon as they can. Russia in Ukraine (and Africa and the Middle East, to say nothing of Europe). China in Tibet and Hong Kong, with the Philippines and entire UNCLOS treaty system and now Taiwan. Saudi Arabia in Yemen and the region; same for Iran and Israel. The U.S. was sort of with Europe for a few years on trying to hold the rules-based international order together. Now we're jumping into the international-law-doesn't-matter pool.
- 0xDEAFBEAD 2y agoHow would they enforce the court verdict if you aren't on their land?
- therein 2y agoIn this situation they owe you money, not the other way around.
- rexpop 2y ago[flagged]
- ars 2y agoSo basically because someone did something bad to them, they have become unethical thieves? And you're fine with it? (I know nothing about them, but your description of them ... yikes. You are making them out to be pretty terrible people.)
- rexpop 2y ago[flagged]
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- defrost 2y agoTo be clear here, it appears that deviantbit described the Shawnee as: flat out thieves rexpop described the Shawnee as: genocide survivors [.. that] operate in a landscape that is existentially hostile to them [..] from an immeasurable disadvantage. and you've now declared calling them "genocide survivors" as "making them out to be pretty terrible people" while casting no judgement on the description as "flat out thieves" ? Did you reply to the correct comment?
- ars 2y agorexpop essentially confirmed that they are thieves and then said it's correct for them to be thieves. Saying someone is a permanent and irredeemable thief, is worse than saying someone stole something.
- defrost 2y ago"essentially confirmed" with airquotes is what escalates them from alleged thieves to permanent and irredeemable thieves in your mind? That's interesting. Their comment reads more as someone still angry about stolen land, stolen children, Indian boarding schools, stealth abortions, and other events which still touch living people and cause them to be upset when reading allegations of theft.
- EdwardDiego 2y ago[flagged]
- loanedempathy 2y agoI highly doubt that the poster did anything other than try and conduct business with the tribe. Thievery is thievery--if it's okay on a small scale now, it must've been fine on a large scale then. At which point, we're just scoring who was more effective at it. Sucks to suck.
- rexpop 2y ago> if it's okay on a small scale now, it must've been fine on a large scale then This is literally the opposite of cause-and-effect, and also a horrifically simplistic—even elementary—ethical model.
- loanedempathy 2y ago[flagged]
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- EdwardDiego 2y agoNothing! So not sure why you raised it!
- rexpop 2y ago[flagged]
- cjonas 2y agoSeems like a fair play given the history...
- bigstrat2003 2y agoYes and no. The history is pretty fucked, but on the other hand nobody currently alive screwed them over. In a lot of cases, people's ancestors weren't even living here back then. I think that it's not as fair in light of the lack of culpability.
- babyent 2y agoSure but people around today benefited tremendously from the horrific acts of their ancestors. It’s uncomfortable if you’re on the benefactor side but it is the truth. There are levels to it and some oppressive acts of the past were magnitudes worse than others. I mean literal genocide.
- cyberax 2y ago> Sure but people around today benefited tremendously from the horrific acts of their ancestors. Including the Shawnee people. So it makes this stance just a tad hypocritical.
- babyent 2y agoNot really. One group was literally wiped out. And Shawnee were just one group. My people lived under imperial colonial rule. Cool we got railroads but trillions looted and millions killed in famines. Just because some people sold out their own doesn’t forgive the sin of the atrocities brought forth that set generations back.
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- cyberax 2y ago