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Didn't realize it was this bad

185 points by belter 2y ago

ashu1461 2y ago
Can second this, receiving 1000 plus applications in the first 24 hours of opening the job post has become the norm. Although the salaries at which the candidates are getting closed is not decreasing / almost the same.
skaushik92 2y ago
A market correction is definitely taking place and jobs like the one in the post that are fully remote are highly coveted so it’s not so surprising. There’s still lots of places for tech to make a meaningful impact but acceptable risk tolerance is much stricter due to tax law shifts and VC funding strictness due to higher interest rates.
- themaninthedark 2y ago
  I would say that the job market has been tough for the last 6~9 months at least, you had the major tech layoffs occurring about a year ago and auto manufacturing was being impacted in October. This is part of the reason people were upset with the message that the economy was doing fine during the election.
Havoc 2y ago
FYI op is talking about a full remote role.
- milesrout 2y ago
  Yeah makes sense that you would get a lot of applications when you are offering the job to billions of people instead of a couple of million at most in a large city.
  - bobro 2y ago
    Billions?
    - milesrout 2y ago
      There are billions of people in the world vs millions or hundreds of thousands of people in most cities. Obviously in both cases you have to multiply through by software developers per person but that doesnt affect the scale of the comparison. Your potential market for hires is hundreds of times bigger, or even thousands.
amazingamazing 2y ago
Not sure what the takeaway is - given there’s no cost to apply and that it’s easier than ever to both apply and find roles, what do you expect?
- deleted 2y ago
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- blakeburch 2y ago
  If the employer adds more friction with custom, upfront questions, they drastically reduce the quantity of applications while increasing the quality of those left. If the employer doesn't post to job boards, they reduce the quantity of applications, but they increase those that found them "direct" and likely care more about the company. It's not perfect, but the biggest issue right now is that both sides are typically trying to put as little effort in as possible.
  - jjk166 2y ago
    > while increasing the quality of those left. Debatable. Willingness to put effort into a job application is not necessarily a good proxy for candidate quality. Indeed I would expect that the most desirable candidates can put the least effort in whereas those who are most willing to put up with crap are those with the fewest alternatives. I suppose for certain management structures someone having no better options could be seen as a plus - they'll stick around longer, put up with abuse, probably work for lower pay and less frequent raises - but I feel like they would still do better with appropriately skilled and compensated employees.
nikhizzle 2y ago
This is why I built tangerine feed for remote roles. It turns out there are tons of remote roles and you can get an edge by applying first. It has unfortunately come down to a numbers game with low odds. https://tangerinefeed.net https://tangerinefeed.net Still working on filtering etc, pardon the work in progress.
- azophy_2 2y ago
  wow this is great! is it still under development? because I felt that it still lacking more feature (search/filter/subscribe/etc)
  - nikhizzle 2y ago
    Yes this is my nights and weekends while having many other commitments. I’m working on all of that
lucasyvas 2y ago
I’ve noticed that there are some interesting bubbles around this fact as well. Anyone that hasn’t been laid off yet is completely, blissfully ignorant to the forest burning down outside their walls. I have been fortunate enough to hold two positions through this downturn after initially being cut. The tone on the inside of these organizations is absolutely wild - nothing against them because they can’t know, but it’s like a lot of them are in some kind of vault from Fallout where they don’t realize people are being eaten a few hundred paces away. It is that bad, but one group still has absolutely no idea when it comes to being able to empathize with it. And that’s a really big problem when it comes to turning it around.
- fuzzfactor 2y ago
  If you remember the "belt tightening of the '80's" under Reagan, who couldn't understand financial math either, it takes thousands of mindless layoffs, "across the board" in order to add up to the millions that are destined to be disenfranchised, a large number of whom will drop completely from the statistics forevermore. Remember this is when GDP was invented, then for previous years when there was only GNP, those were converted to GDP values very slyly in a way to "not freak people out" about how much worse it was than before. Even Chevron is bound to layoff about 8,000 according to recent announcements, of course they can afford to take their time like few non-oil companies can, but it'll all be over for these dedicated employees of theirs before the end of 2026. Same kind of bubbles there were back then, once millions have been set back generations, everyone else will largely think there are no lingering problems because they actually have jobs. There is some air of success from those who did luck out in the numbers game, because of the atmosphere where people know it's harder to get or keep a career going. So they highly value the job they have more than ever, but really can't afford very much sympathy for so many millions that can not be saved.
  - lotsofpulp 2y ago
    > a large number of whom will drop completely from the statistics forevermore. U-6 unemployment and labor force participation rates capture everyone. https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-lab... There are also many other places un and underemployed people show up, such as income quintiles, tax return statistics, and eventually, revenue and net income in publicly listed business’ financials.
spiderfarmer 2y ago
There are many factors that have led to this situation but people who think AI is just a small part of it are using blinders to navigate through life. Managers and CEOs see all the marketing hype around AI coding tools and simply freeze hiring until the dust settles.
OutOfHere 2y ago
I keep telling senior people to switch to entrepreneurship via freelancing or a startup/business, but they don't listen. The startup can ideally be self-bootstrapped or otherwise VC funded. They have become too comfortable with jobs and have lost their power to innovate.
- tdeck 2y ago
  I've been thinking about doing this recently for the felxibility. But I feel like it requires a whole set of extra skills I never developed. How do you recommend getting started with freelancing for those engineers who have always worked at companies?
  - mediumsmart 2y ago
    Back to school working on the side for a freelance company like upwork until you have that extra skillset maybe. Full acceptance no guitars.
    - tdeck 2y ago
      > Full acceptance no guitars. I've tried in vain to find any reference to this being an expression in English.
- marshmellman 2y ago
  I recently tried the freelancing thing for a couple years, and I’m not sure about this as general advice for experienced engineers. I found it difficult to find gigs paying similar to what I had been making as a FTE, and I found it stressful to frequently negotiate contracts and sell/market myself.
  - smackeyacky 2y ago
    I am doing this at the moment. I am very lucky to have a few contacts around places I used to work that are offering short term contracts. So i'm good for the moment but if that dried up I would be struggling. Breaking out of the "I know a dude who knows a dude" circle is actually a lot harder than people think. I'm going to give it a crack though. And if you're reading this and have some unsolveable problem to crack around the .NET, node, Unix space, hit me up. I may be the most stubborn man on the planet when it comes to hard problems.
moralestapia 2y ago
I highly doubt this is true, and coming from reddit with no other details, ... zero credibility.
- belter 2y ago
  "Finding a job now is harder than any time since the pandemic" - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/finding-a-job-now-is-harder-than-any-time-since-the-pandemic-bad-omen-for-the-economy-242aa46d https://www.marketwatch.com/story/finding-a-job-now-is-harde... "IT job market is still shrinking" - https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/15/it_job_market/ https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/15/it_job_market/ "Why does getting a job in tech suck right now?" - https://ryxcommar.com/2024/08/17/why-does-getting-a-job-in-tech-suck-right-now-is-it-ai/ https://ryxcommar.com/2024/08/17/why-does-getting-a-job-in-t...
  - moralestapia 2y ago
    From the first article, "The company got more than 100 resumes." Thanks for proving me right!
taxman22 2y ago
When I post SWE roles, I get hundreds of applicants from people outside the US who pretend to already be in the US, by putting SF in their LinkedIn. I also get a ton of people who lie about needing work authorization.
- DandyDev 2y ago
  I experienced the same in my previous job. And it makes me wonder: what do those applicants hope to get out of this ruse? It's not like hiring managers will think "oh, we've gotten this far into the process, we might as well arrange a lengthy and expensive visa process for them"
  - anal_reactor 2y ago
    > It's not like hiring managers will think "oh, we've gotten this far into the process, we might as well arrange a lengthy and expensive visa process for them" That's exactly the advice that hiring managers themselves gave 10 years ago.
  - hiq 2y ago
    > oh, we've gotten this far into the process, we might as well arrange a lengthy and expensive visa process for them What about "oh, we've gotten this far, maybe we can work it out by having them work remotely from their country for a cheaper compensation than what we would have had to pay locally"? From the applicant's point of view it costs very little to try this out.
  - commandlinefan 2y ago
    > we've gotten this far into the process There was a linkedin post floating around a few weeks ago that went in the other direction - a hiring manager who posted "remote" jobs, go the applicant hired, and then did a rug pull letting them know that it wasn't actually remote after all, they were required to come into the office. The hiring manager proudly bragged that most of the applicants just went along with it anyway and the comments were pointing out that it didn't seem like they'd have much choice at that point since they'd have already quit their other jobs.
- 2y ago
AllegedAlec 2y ago
But the economy is doing so well guys, don't worry about the real inflation numbers being nearly 40-50% in the last 5 years or so. Lines go up, things good.
- spl757 2y ago
  The economy doing great if you are a filthy rich member of the oligarchy. If you aren't then it's not so great.
- rsanek 2y ago
  source for those 'real' inflation numbers? CPI says ~20% cumulative inflation since start of 2020.
  - whamlastxmas 2y ago
    CPI is famously nearly entirely bullshit
  - AllegedAlec 2y ago
    CPI is absolute bullshit. They silently keep adjusting the way they measure it and by some profound convience to them the adjustments always end up with a lower inflation. Butter's now nearly twice as expensive. I'm paying twice as much to heat my house as I'd have paid 5 years ago. Bread went up over 30 percent during the war. Many product skyrocketed during covid and never came back down. The CPI and other similar measures are government lies to keep the peace.
    - senordevnyc 2y ago
      Butter's now nearly twice as expensive. I'm paying twice as much to heat my house as I'd have paid 5 years ago. Bread went up over 30 percent during the war. Many product skyrocketed during covid and never came back down. These are great examples, but I wonder if they're not actually too low. What we really need is some kind of list (a basket, if you will) of things like this, and then periodically we can check with stores all over the country and ask them how much these things are. Then we won't have to rely on the CPI bullshit and we'll know exactly how bad the true inflation really is!
tasuki 2y ago
When are the enormous salaries coming a little down then?
- Terretta 2y ago
  Depends whether you're talking about salaries based on hourly rate or outcome rate.
pjmlp 2y ago
This is why the common reply of "just take another job" that gets thrown around here when people complain, isn't that easy to realize in practice. Not everyone is in a world region where they can walk out of the door and there is a bunch of companies queueing up to take them in.
- Joker_vD 2y ago
  An insane argument of the day: it's the productivity problem. The worker productivity is just so high nowadays, that it's impossible to have more than 70% of working population meaningfully employed. We need to start to employ people to dig holes and then fill them back because there is no other reasonable way to justify their sustenance. Sadly, that's precisely what's DOGE is against.
  - georgemcbay 2y ago
    > Sadly, that's precisely what's DOGE is against. They, or rather Elon anyway, are also super pro-natalist. So not only are they not really interested in dealing with the growing disconnect between increasing per-capita productivity and the inability of the average citizen laborer to share in the wealth of that increased productivity, they are also advocating for significant population growth too. Number must always go UP! Everyone go have 12 kids please. Ya'll got billions in the bank to take care of them in the face of a likely double whammy of increased inflation and decreased job prospects, right?
  - ygouzerh 2y ago
    Indeed! We are inventing illogical concepts like Planned Obsolescence, Guerilla Marketing and Over-Consumerism just in order to sustain a failed system that push people into poverty, even when there are enough goods and services produced for everyone already.
  - bofadeez 2y ago
    Wow... It's like the lady who thinks her reflection is fake... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window
shepherdjerred 2y ago
If we’re taking anecdotes, I found the market to be fine when I was searching for jobs last year. https://sjer.red/blog/2024/job-hunt/ https://sjer.red/blog/2024/job-hunt/
sandspar 2y ago
The next few years are gonna be interesting.
tmikaeld 2y ago
I really don't think that the amount of applications demonstrate a saturated market, instead, since this is developer positions, It's probably developers better utilising AI/Automations to cast a wider net of job applications to have options if anything should happen to their current position. Considering the state of the US right now, I would definitely be doing this.
mvdtnz 2y ago
Yet somehow there's not a single unemployed person in my network. Don't believe everything you read on Reddit.
- OKRainbowKid 2y ago
  How is your anecdotal evidence any more trustworthy?
- y-curious 2y ago
  I think reddit is disproportionately CS grads on these subreddits. I feel for them having studied and followed the trend only to be stuck with no opening
qwertyuiop_ 2y ago
Why is H1B even a thing in this market ?
brador 2y ago
Every senior engineer worth hiring has automated application. Apply first, check if you want to go to interview second.
gootz 2y ago
This might not be fully what it seems -- yes, certain segments of the market are "soft", but this situation could be a remote job + easy to apply tools and automation.
gloosx 2y ago
Never apply @ Only take offers If that doesn't work for you, then maybe it's a good time to do something different or better. It's an employer who must find your ad and hire you, not the other way around. There are two kinds of companies: the ones which need someone, and the ones which need You. I advice to look closer for the latter.
jaxtracks 2y ago
I'm on both sides of this right now, hiring senior engineers for companies I consult for, while considering getting back to full time technical focus in a staff/principal role. When I'm hiring, I'm having to trudge through a TON of irrelevant resumes, and some super weird interviews with folks lying about their location or clearly relying on LLMs for answers to broad questions experienced folks with very general software knowledge should be able to talk about easily. For getting hired, my resume acceptance rate was abysmal when I usually do pretty well, but when I actually get to talk to folks I can sense relief that I am who I say I am and have real experience. Offers are coming in at a range similar to 2021. It's a very noisy atmosphere at the moment. I think folks experiencing the anxiety I felt at the start of my search should rest assured that there are real jobs for people who do real work. AI definitely isn't taking them. Getting face to face with the person who needs your skills is hard these days, but going through your network helps a lot and if that fails, persistence still works. If you need to hire, I've found going through my network to circumvent the applicant spam very effective for that side as well. We're a community, and we can do a lot of good for ourselves and each other by connecting directly when our usual channels for placement are so unreliable these days.

185 points by belter 2y ago

Can second this, receiving 1000 plus applications in the first 24 hours of opening the job post has become the norm. Although the salaries at which the candidates are getting closed is not decreasing / almost the same.

skaushik92 2y ago

A market correction is definitely taking place and jobs like the one in the post that are fully remote are highly coveted so it’s not so surprising. There’s still lots of places for tech to make a meaningful impact but acceptable risk tolerance is much stricter due to tax law shifts and VC funding strictness due to higher interest rates.

themaninthedark 2y ago
I would say that the job market has been tough for the last 6~9 months at least, you had the major tech layoffs occurring about a year ago and auto manufacturing was being impacted in October. This is part of the reason people were upset with the message that the economy was doing fine during the election.

Havoc 2y ago

FYI op is talking about a full remote role.

milesrout 2y ago
Yeah makes sense that you would get a lot of applications when you are offering the job to billions of people instead of a couple of million at most in a large city.
- bobro 2y ago
  Billions?
  - milesrout 2y ago
    There are billions of people in the world vs millions or hundreds of thousands of people in most cities. Obviously in both cases you have to multiply through by software developers per person but that doesnt affect the scale of the comparison. Your potential market for hires is hundreds of times bigger, or even thousands.

amazingamazing 2y ago

Not sure what the takeaway is - given there’s no cost to apply and that it’s easier than ever to both apply and find roles, what do you expect?

deleted 2y ago
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blakeburch 2y ago
If the employer adds more friction with custom, upfront questions, they drastically reduce the quantity of applications while increasing the quality of those left. If the employer doesn't post to job boards, they reduce the quantity of applications, but they increase those that found them "direct" and likely care more about the company. It's not perfect, but the biggest issue right now is that both sides are typically trying to put as little effort in as possible.
- jjk166 2y ago
  > while increasing the quality of those left. Debatable. Willingness to put effort into a job application is not necessarily a good proxy for candidate quality. Indeed I would expect that the most desirable candidates can put the least effort in whereas those who are most willing to put up with crap are those with the fewest alternatives. I suppose for certain management structures someone having no better options could be seen as a plus - they'll stick around longer, put up with abuse, probably work for lower pay and less frequent raises - but I feel like they would still do better with appropriately skilled and compensated employees.

nikhizzle 2y ago

This is why I built tangerine feed for remote roles. It turns out there are tons of remote roles and you can get an edge by applying first. It has unfortunately come down to a numbers game with low odds. https://tangerinefeed.net https://tangerinefeed.net Still working on filtering etc, pardon the work in progress.

azophy_2 2y ago
wow this is great! is it still under development? because I felt that it still lacking more feature (search/filter/subscribe/etc)
- nikhizzle 2y ago
  Yes this is my nights and weekends while having many other commitments. I’m working on all of that

lucasyvas 2y ago

I’ve noticed that there are some interesting bubbles around this fact as well. Anyone that hasn’t been laid off yet is completely, blissfully ignorant to the forest burning down outside their walls. I have been fortunate enough to hold two positions through this downturn after initially being cut. The tone on the inside of these organizations is absolutely wild - nothing against them because they can’t know, but it’s like a lot of them are in some kind of vault from Fallout where they don’t realize people are being eaten a few hundred paces away. It is that bad, but one group still has absolutely no idea when it comes to being able to empathize with it. And that’s a really big problem when it comes to turning it around.

fuzzfactor 2y ago
If you remember the "belt tightening of the '80's" under Reagan, who couldn't understand financial math either, it takes thousands of mindless layoffs, "across the board" in order to add up to the millions that are destined to be disenfranchised, a large number of whom will drop completely from the statistics forevermore. Remember this is when GDP was invented, then for previous years when there was only GNP, those were converted to GDP values very slyly in a way to "not freak people out" about how much worse it was than before. Even Chevron is bound to layoff about 8,000 according to recent announcements, of course they can afford to take their time like few non-oil companies can, but it'll all be over for these dedicated employees of theirs before the end of 2026. Same kind of bubbles there were back then, once millions have been set back generations, everyone else will largely think there are no lingering problems because they actually have jobs. There is some air of success from those who did luck out in the numbers game, because of the atmosphere where people know it's harder to get or keep a career going. So they highly value the job they have more than ever, but really can't afford very much sympathy for so many millions that can not be saved.
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  > a large number of whom will drop completely from the statistics forevermore. U-6 unemployment and labor force participation rates capture everyone. https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm https://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-labor-force-participation-rate.htm https://www.bls.gov/charts/employment-situation/civilian-lab... There are also many other places un and underemployed people show up, such as income quintiles, tax return statistics, and eventually, revenue and net income in publicly listed business’ financials.

spiderfarmer 2y ago

There are many factors that have led to this situation but people who think AI is just a small part of it are using blinders to navigate through life. Managers and CEOs see all the marketing hype around AI coding tools and simply freeze hiring until the dust settles.

OutOfHere 2y ago

I keep telling senior people to switch to entrepreneurship via freelancing or a startup/business, but they don't listen. The startup can ideally be self-bootstrapped or otherwise VC funded. They have become too comfortable with jobs and have lost their power to innovate.

tdeck 2y ago
I've been thinking about doing this recently for the felxibility. But I feel like it requires a whole set of extra skills I never developed. How do you recommend getting started with freelancing for those engineers who have always worked at companies?
- mediumsmart 2y ago
  Back to school working on the side for a freelance company like upwork until you have that extra skillset maybe. Full acceptance no guitars.
  - tdeck 2y ago
    > Full acceptance no guitars. I've tried in vain to find any reference to this being an expression in English.
marshmellman 2y ago
I recently tried the freelancing thing for a couple years, and I’m not sure about this as general advice for experienced engineers. I found it difficult to find gigs paying similar to what I had been making as a FTE, and I found it stressful to frequently negotiate contracts and sell/market myself.
- smackeyacky 2y ago
  I am doing this at the moment. I am very lucky to have a few contacts around places I used to work that are offering short term contracts. So i'm good for the moment but if that dried up I would be struggling. Breaking out of the "I know a dude who knows a dude" circle is actually a lot harder than people think. I'm going to give it a crack though. And if you're reading this and have some unsolveable problem to crack around the .NET, node, Unix space, hit me up. I may be the most stubborn man on the planet when it comes to hard problems.

moralestapia 2y ago

I highly doubt this is true, and coming from reddit with no other details, ... zero credibility.

belter 2y ago
"Finding a job now is harder than any time since the pandemic" - https://www.marketwatch.com/story/finding-a-job-now-is-harder-than-any-time-since-the-pandemic-bad-omen-for-the-economy-242aa46d https://www.marketwatch.com/story/finding-a-job-now-is-harde... "IT job market is still shrinking" - https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/15/it_job_market/ https://www.theregister.com/2025/01/15/it_job_market/ "Why does getting a job in tech suck right now?" - https://ryxcommar.com/2024/08/17/why-does-getting-a-job-in-tech-suck-right-now-is-it-ai/ https://ryxcommar.com/2024/08/17/why-does-getting-a-job-in-t...
- moralestapia 2y ago
  From the first article, "The company got more than 100 resumes." Thanks for proving me right!

taxman22 2y ago

When I post SWE roles, I get hundreds of applicants from people outside the US who pretend to already be in the US, by putting SF in their LinkedIn. I also get a ton of people who lie about needing work authorization.

DandyDev 2y ago
I experienced the same in my previous job. And it makes me wonder: what do those applicants hope to get out of this ruse? It's not like hiring managers will think "oh, we've gotten this far into the process, we might as well arrange a lengthy and expensive visa process for them"
- anal_reactor 2y ago
  > It's not like hiring managers will think "oh, we've gotten this far into the process, we might as well arrange a lengthy and expensive visa process for them" That's exactly the advice that hiring managers themselves gave 10 years ago.
- hiq 2y ago
  > oh, we've gotten this far into the process, we might as well arrange a lengthy and expensive visa process for them What about "oh, we've gotten this far, maybe we can work it out by having them work remotely from their country for a cheaper compensation than what we would have had to pay locally"? From the applicant's point of view it costs very little to try this out.
- commandlinefan 2y ago
  > we've gotten this far into the process There was a linkedin post floating around a few weeks ago that went in the other direction - a hiring manager who posted "remote" jobs, go the applicant hired, and then did a rug pull letting them know that it wasn't actually remote after all, they were required to come into the office. The hiring manager proudly bragged that most of the applicants just went along with it anyway and the comments were pointing out that it didn't seem like they'd have much choice at that point since they'd have already quit their other jobs.
2y ago

AllegedAlec 2y ago

But the economy is doing so well guys, don't worry about the real inflation numbers being nearly 40-50% in the last 5 years or so. Lines go up, things good.

spl757 2y ago
The economy doing great if you are a filthy rich member of the oligarchy. If you aren't then it's not so great.
rsanek 2y ago
source for those 'real' inflation numbers? CPI says ~20% cumulative inflation since start of 2020.
- whamlastxmas 2y ago
  CPI is famously nearly entirely bullshit
- AllegedAlec 2y ago
  CPI is absolute bullshit. They silently keep adjusting the way they measure it and by some profound convience to them the adjustments always end up with a lower inflation. Butter's now nearly twice as expensive. I'm paying twice as much to heat my house as I'd have paid 5 years ago. Bread went up over 30 percent during the war. Many product skyrocketed during covid and never came back down. The CPI and other similar measures are government lies to keep the peace.
  - senordevnyc 2y ago
    Butter's now nearly twice as expensive. I'm paying twice as much to heat my house as I'd have paid 5 years ago. Bread went up over 30 percent during the war. Many product skyrocketed during covid and never came back down. These are great examples, but I wonder if they're not actually too low. What we really need is some kind of list (a basket, if you will) of things like this, and then periodically we can check with stores all over the country and ask them how much these things are. Then we won't have to rely on the CPI bullshit and we'll know exactly how bad the true inflation really is!

tasuki 2y ago

When are the enormous salaries coming a little down then?

Terretta 2y ago
Depends whether you're talking about salaries based on hourly rate or outcome rate.

pjmlp 2y ago

This is why the common reply of "just take another job" that gets thrown around here when people complain, isn't that easy to realize in practice. Not everyone is in a world region where they can walk out of the door and there is a bunch of companies queueing up to take them in.

Joker_vD 2y ago
An insane argument of the day: it's the productivity problem. The worker productivity is just so high nowadays, that it's impossible to have more than 70% of working population meaningfully employed. We need to start to employ people to dig holes and then fill them back because there is no other reasonable way to justify their sustenance. Sadly, that's precisely what's DOGE is against.
- georgemcbay 2y ago
  > Sadly, that's precisely what's DOGE is against. They, or rather Elon anyway, are also super pro-natalist. So not only are they not really interested in dealing with the growing disconnect between increasing per-capita productivity and the inability of the average citizen laborer to share in the wealth of that increased productivity, they are also advocating for significant population growth too. Number must always go UP! Everyone go have 12 kids please. Ya'll got billions in the bank to take care of them in the face of a likely double whammy of increased inflation and decreased job prospects, right?
- ygouzerh 2y ago
  Indeed! We are inventing illogical concepts like Planned Obsolescence, Guerilla Marketing and Over-Consumerism just in order to sustain a failed system that push people into poverty, even when there are enough goods and services produced for everyone already.
- bofadeez 2y ago
  Wow... It's like the lady who thinks her reflection is fake... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable_of_the_broken_window

shepherdjerred 2y ago

If we’re taking anecdotes, I found the market to be fine when I was searching for jobs last year. https://sjer.red/blog/2024/job-hunt/ https://sjer.red/blog/2024/job-hunt/

sandspar 2y ago

The next few years are gonna be interesting.

tmikaeld 2y ago

I really don't think that the amount of applications demonstrate a saturated market, instead, since this is developer positions, It's probably developers better utilising AI/Automations to cast a wider net of job applications to have options if anything should happen to their current position. Considering the state of the US right now, I would definitely be doing this.

mvdtnz 2y ago

Yet somehow there's not a single unemployed person in my network. Don't believe everything you read on Reddit.

OKRainbowKid 2y ago
How is your anecdotal evidence any more trustworthy?
y-curious 2y ago
I think reddit is disproportionately CS grads on these subreddits. I feel for them having studied and followed the trend only to be stuck with no opening

qwertyuiop_ 2y ago

Why is H1B even a thing in this market ?

brador 2y ago

Every senior engineer worth hiring has automated application. Apply first, check if you want to go to interview second.

gootz 2y ago

This might not be fully what it seems -- yes, certain segments of the market are "soft", but this situation could be a remote job + easy to apply tools and automation.

gloosx 2y ago

Never apply @ Only take offers If that doesn't work for you, then maybe it's a good time to do something different or better. It's an employer who must find your ad and hire you, not the other way around. There are two kinds of companies: the ones which need someone, and the ones which need You. I advice to look closer for the latter.

jaxtracks 2y ago

I'm on both sides of this right now, hiring senior engineers for companies I consult for, while considering getting back to full time technical focus in a staff/principal role. When I'm hiring, I'm having to trudge through a TON of irrelevant resumes, and some super weird interviews with folks lying about their location or clearly relying on LLMs for answers to broad questions experienced folks with very general software knowledge should be able to talk about easily. For getting hired, my resume acceptance rate was abysmal when I usually do pretty well, but when I actually get to talk to folks I can sense relief that I am who I say I am and have real experience. Offers are coming in at a range similar to 2021. It's a very noisy atmosphere at the moment. I think folks experiencing the anxiety I felt at the start of my search should rest assured that there are real jobs for people who do real work. AI definitely isn't taking them. Getting face to face with the person who needs your skills is hard these days, but going through your network helps a lot and if that fails, persistence still works. If you need to hire, I've found going through my network to circumvent the applicant spam very effective for that side as well. We're a community, and we can do a lot of good for ourselves and each other by connecting directly when our usual channels for placement are so unreliable these days.