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Where are they headed to that’s doing substantially better government-wise than USA?

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rokkamokka 2y ago
You are right that all of the first world is under attack by destabilizing forces. But in many European countries these foreign backed extremists are thankfully still the majority, not the elected government.
- Bostonian 2y ago
  Did you mean "minority" rather than "majority"?
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- spacemadness 2y ago
  They probably don’t throw nazi salutes out at their inaugurations either.
- blargthorwars 2y ago
  If Europe can escape becoming Socialist/Nazi, they'll soon be a Muslim Caliphate if demographic trends continue.
  - slater 2y ago
    > Socialist/Nazi What?
    - margalabargala 2y ago
      See the other half of their comment re: Muslims, considering that among not-formerly-Ottoman European countries the one with the highest % Muslim population is France at 7.5%, the person you replied to is clearly being hyperbolic and not making a serious point.
- sebazzz 2y ago
  It helps that many European countries don't have a presidential democracy but rather a parlementairy democracy - making the concentration of power and execution of bad ideas within a single party and person much more difficult.
  - Redoubts 2y ago
    Europe seems to be executing on its terrible ideas just fine
SanjayMehta 2y ago
The article doesn’t say. Implies people are applying for dual citizenship of Ireland and Mexico, but without any concrete data.
Arubis 2y ago
That’ll depend on the person—if you’re trans and having a hard time passing, you may well feel safer in Cuba. That said, you’re implying a point that’s valid: much of the world is in an oppressive state right now. South America’s always a mix, but most of its states are seemingly less stable now than a few years back; Mexico’s narcoviolence is spiking; Central Europe is trending right-authoritarian, India’s under Modi, and Africa and Central Asia aren’t typically on USian’s radar. That basically leaves Canada, the nordics, and Western Europe.
- margalabargala 2y ago
  Brazil is arguably on a trend to become more stable, not less. Argentina is a bit of a tossup, but if Milei pulls off what he's trying to do, it could come out a lot stronger. Or it could all collapse, but I wouldn't say it's right now less stable than it was four years ago. Mexico might have cartel issues but as a whole the country is on a huge economic upswing. Somewhere like Singapore is a stable option as well. Australia and New Zealand. China might be authoritarian, and the language is hard, but if someone is willing to conform and defer to the Party they can do well there. And if a person's thesis is "I am leaving the US because it is losing its status as a world power", China is the logical country which will be stepping into that vacuum. In the past, the languages that "everyone spoke" to do business were first Latin, then French, now English. In the future it will be Spanish and Chinese.
  - glimshe 2y ago
    Literally everybody I know in Brazil - and I know dozens of people there - would disagree with the statement that Brazil is getting more stable.
    - margalabargala 2y ago
      Could you elaborate? The people you know in Brazil think that the prosecution of Bolsonaro represents less democratic stability than the leadership of Bolsonaro?
camgunz 2y ago
Anywhere in the EU.
toomuchtodo 2y ago
Europe, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Mexico, Uruguay (we hold permanent residency in Mexico, as well as a residency visa in Spain)
throw0101d 2y ago
> Where are they headed to that’s doing substantially better government-wise than USA? Possible metrics: * Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices YMMV. * Edit2: Some lists at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_life
- EA-3167 2y ago
  That assumes you only care about "freedom" in a fairly nebulous sense, as defined by a series of indices. I suspect a lot of people also care about quality of life, how much money they can make, cost of living, speaking the language, liking the weather and the food, and their ability to actually emigrate without spending a decade of their lives struggling to attain citizenship.
  - throw0101d 2y ago
    Probably a lot of overlap with top countries and: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Liveability_Ranking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Liveability_Ranking * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_quality_of_life_indices https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_quality_of_life_indices * https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/ https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/
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You are right that all of the first world is under attack by destabilizing forces. But in many European countries these foreign backed extremists are thankfully still the majority, not the elected government.

Bostonian 2y ago
Did you mean "minority" rather than "majority"?
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spacemadness 2y ago
They probably don’t throw nazi salutes out at their inaugurations either.
blargthorwars 2y ago
If Europe can escape becoming Socialist/Nazi, they'll soon be a Muslim Caliphate if demographic trends continue.
- slater 2y ago
  > Socialist/Nazi What?
  - margalabargala 2y ago
    See the other half of their comment re: Muslims, considering that among not-formerly-Ottoman European countries the one with the highest % Muslim population is France at 7.5%, the person you replied to is clearly being hyperbolic and not making a serious point.
sebazzz 2y ago
It helps that many European countries don't have a presidential democracy but rather a parlementairy democracy - making the concentration of power and execution of bad ideas within a single party and person much more difficult.
- Redoubts 2y ago
  Europe seems to be executing on its terrible ideas just fine

SanjayMehta 2y ago

The article doesn’t say. Implies people are applying for dual citizenship of Ireland and Mexico, but without any concrete data.

Arubis 2y ago

That’ll depend on the person—if you’re trans and having a hard time passing, you may well feel safer in Cuba. That said, you’re implying a point that’s valid: much of the world is in an oppressive state right now. South America’s always a mix, but most of its states are seemingly less stable now than a few years back; Mexico’s narcoviolence is spiking; Central Europe is trending right-authoritarian, India’s under Modi, and Africa and Central Asia aren’t typically on USian’s radar. That basically leaves Canada, the nordics, and Western Europe.

margalabargala 2y ago
Brazil is arguably on a trend to become more stable, not less. Argentina is a bit of a tossup, but if Milei pulls off what he's trying to do, it could come out a lot stronger. Or it could all collapse, but I wouldn't say it's right now less stable than it was four years ago. Mexico might have cartel issues but as a whole the country is on a huge economic upswing. Somewhere like Singapore is a stable option as well. Australia and New Zealand. China might be authoritarian, and the language is hard, but if someone is willing to conform and defer to the Party they can do well there. And if a person's thesis is "I am leaving the US because it is losing its status as a world power", China is the logical country which will be stepping into that vacuum. In the past, the languages that "everyone spoke" to do business were first Latin, then French, now English. In the future it will be Spanish and Chinese.
- glimshe 2y ago
  Literally everybody I know in Brazil - and I know dozens of people there - would disagree with the statement that Brazil is getting more stable.
  - margalabargala 2y ago
    Could you elaborate? The people you know in Brazil think that the prosecution of Bolsonaro represents less democratic stability than the leadership of Bolsonaro?

camgunz 2y ago

Anywhere in the EU.

toomuchtodo 2y ago

Europe, Canada, New Zealand, Australia, Mexico, Uruguay (we hold permanent residency in Mexico, as well as a residency visa in Spain)

throw0101d 2y ago

> Where are they headed to that’s doing substantially better government-wise than USA? Possible metrics: * Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Happiness_Report * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Economist_Democracy_Index * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Index_of_Economic_Freedom * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Press_Freedom_Index * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_freedom_indices YMMV. * Edit2: Some lists at https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_life https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quality_of_life

EA-3167 2y ago
That assumes you only care about "freedom" in a fairly nebulous sense, as defined by a series of indices. I suspect a lot of people also care about quality of life, how much money they can make, cost of living, speaking the language, liking the weather and the food, and their ability to actually emigrate without spending a decade of their lives struggling to attain citizenship.
- throw0101d 2y ago
  Probably a lot of overlap with top countries and: * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Liveability_Ranking https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_Liveability_Ranking * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_quality_of_life_indices https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/City_quality_of_life_indices * https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/ https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/

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