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I'm kind of puzzled by your first point. In my experience, parking apps require you to pay in larger chunks of hours than paying with coins used to; many times

by lambda 2y ago

I'm kind of puzzled by your first point. In my experience, parking apps require you to pay in larger chunks of hours than paying with coins used to; many times I have to pay for a minimum of 2 hours of parking with the app when I could pay for just 10 or 15 minutes of parking with coins.

svelle 2y ago
The parking app I use in Berlin, easy park, works in the sense that I pre-select a timeframe I think im going to park which then gives me an estimate for how much it'll cost and reserve that amount using my CC. When I end the parking before that timer ends, the actual time I've parked will be taken and only that amount is charged. It used to be even better in the sense that you'd only start and then end parking without having to pre select a time. But I think too many people, me included, forgot to end the parking when taking off and paid way more than they actually parked for.
- SoftTalker 2y ago
  Of course the apps could easily detect that parking has ended. They could note your location when you park. When the phone returns to that location, and then moves at driving speed, parking has ended. But they don't because they make more money by profiting from people who forget to "clock out" when they are done parking.
  - rad_gruchalski 2y ago
    Yes, that’s what we need, parking apps tracking user’s location 24/7.
  - pohuing 2y ago
    Don't android and IOS try to prevent background location tracking? The location permission dialogs don't even have that option
  - svelle 2y ago
    > Of course the apps could easily detect that parking has ended. They could note your location when you park. When the phone returns to that location, and then moves at driving speed, parking has ended. They could at least start with adding proper CarPlay and Android Auto support so you can just end the parking from the infotainment. But I think there can be at most a single engineer working on this app if at all. Up until a couple months ago it didn't even have the option for a persistent notification to remind you that you had an ongoing parking... > But they don't because they make more money by profiting from people who forget to "clock out" when they are done parking. fwiw, at least in this case, the app that profited from you not clocking out got shut down and bought out by the app that asks you to pre-set your parking time. Which I guess is still not great, but at least somewhat of a step up.
    - Marsymars 2y ago
      > But I think there can be at most a single engineer working on this app if at all. I assume they’re contracted out to the lowest bidder. In my city the payment schedule on the app significantly lags the meters/official rates. Fine when prices go up, but pretty annoying to app-users when the app charges more than the official parking rates. Maybe if they get their merchant account sanctioned for too many chargebacks someone will take notice.
  - def13 2y ago
    All of the parking apps I’ve used offer this “drive away detection” optionally. One of them wanted me to sign up to a parking subscription of some sort to be able to access it which was a bit insane. I just don’t turn on the feature because I don’t really think its worth sending my precise location for the next however many hours to some random small time app developer.
gs17 2y ago
>In my experience, parking apps require you to pay in larger chunks of hours than paying with coins used to; Here in Nashville, they sold out our public street parking to a private company. Now instead of coins in a meter for the time you want, you have to buy at least an hour for $1.75 (or more), pay by scanning a QR code (which is misprinted on the signs) unless you're in one of the spots where there's a working pay machine, and it now is enforced 24/7 instead of having holidays and weekends off (IIRC it was also free after 6, which was great). Also they had two hour limits where you can't simply move your car, you have to park somewhere they don't check for an indeterminate amount of time. How is any of this an improvement unless you get a cut of the money?
- looofooo0 2y ago
  Has nothing to do with technology.
pqtyw 2y ago
I depends on the app I guess, where I am you just click to start/stop and (IIRC) get billed at 15 minute increments.
gamedever 2y ago
Parking apps requires registration. I arrive, park my car then (1) via machine: insert my card into the machine, get ticket, leave (2) via app: spend 10 minutes registering an account, email, password, phone number, wants verification via email or phone number, wants me to register my credit card and the agree to them selling all my data. IF on the other hand, they just made it use some kind of common e-cash and no registration, no tracking, no account, I'd be 100% for it.
- kelnos 2y ago
  If you pay with a card, then they can track you, so it doesn't really matter if you put that card into a machine or into an app account. For places where I don't expect to return (or only rarely), sure, having to do an app is annoying. But for places where you expect to use it often enough, it can be a time-saver, after the initial time cost of setup.
kelnos 2y ago
Strange, I only have experience with two parking apps, but they both let you pay in 15-minute increments. I have seen meters that have smaller increments, like sub-10-minutes, but when the increments cost something like 50 cents, it's hard to really care that much.
petepete 2y ago
On public transport I can tap in and tap out with the wallet on phone or any bank card. Car parks could work in exactly the same way, but instead there are 15 apps.

by lambda 2y ago

svelle 2y ago

The parking app I use in Berlin, easy park, works in the sense that I pre-select a timeframe I think im going to park which then gives me an estimate for how much it'll cost and reserve that amount using my CC. When I end the parking before that timer ends, the actual time I've parked will be taken and only that amount is charged. It used to be even better in the sense that you'd only start and then end parking without having to pre select a time. But I think too many people, me included, forgot to end the parking when taking off and paid way more than they actually parked for.

SoftTalker 2y ago
Of course the apps could easily detect that parking has ended. They could note your location when you park. When the phone returns to that location, and then moves at driving speed, parking has ended. But they don't because they make more money by profiting from people who forget to "clock out" when they are done parking.
- rad_gruchalski 2y ago
  Yes, that’s what we need, parking apps tracking user’s location 24/7.
- pohuing 2y ago
  Don't android and IOS try to prevent background location tracking? The location permission dialogs don't even have that option
- svelle 2y ago
  > Of course the apps could easily detect that parking has ended. They could note your location when you park. When the phone returns to that location, and then moves at driving speed, parking has ended. They could at least start with adding proper CarPlay and Android Auto support so you can just end the parking from the infotainment. But I think there can be at most a single engineer working on this app if at all. Up until a couple months ago it didn't even have the option for a persistent notification to remind you that you had an ongoing parking... > But they don't because they make more money by profiting from people who forget to "clock out" when they are done parking. fwiw, at least in this case, the app that profited from you not clocking out got shut down and bought out by the app that asks you to pre-set your parking time. Which I guess is still not great, but at least somewhat of a step up.
  - Marsymars 2y ago
    > But I think there can be at most a single engineer working on this app if at all. I assume they’re contracted out to the lowest bidder. In my city the payment schedule on the app significantly lags the meters/official rates. Fine when prices go up, but pretty annoying to app-users when the app charges more than the official parking rates. Maybe if they get their merchant account sanctioned for too many chargebacks someone will take notice.
- def13 2y ago
  All of the parking apps I’ve used offer this “drive away detection” optionally. One of them wanted me to sign up to a parking subscription of some sort to be able to access it which was a bit insane. I just don’t turn on the feature because I don’t really think its worth sending my precise location for the next however many hours to some random small time app developer.

gs17 2y ago

>In my experience, parking apps require you to pay in larger chunks of hours than paying with coins used to; Here in Nashville, they sold out our public street parking to a private company. Now instead of coins in a meter for the time you want, you have to buy at least an hour for $1.75 (or more), pay by scanning a QR code (which is misprinted on the signs) unless you're in one of the spots where there's a working pay machine, and it now is enforced 24/7 instead of having holidays and weekends off (IIRC it was also free after 6, which was great). Also they had two hour limits where you can't simply move your car, you have to park somewhere they don't check for an indeterminate amount of time. How is any of this an improvement unless you get a cut of the money?

looofooo0 2y ago
Has nothing to do with technology.

pqtyw 2y ago

I depends on the app I guess, where I am you just click to start/stop and (IIRC) get billed at 15 minute increments.

gamedever 2y ago

Parking apps requires registration. I arrive, park my car then (1) via machine: insert my card into the machine, get ticket, leave (2) via app: spend 10 minutes registering an account, email, password, phone number, wants verification via email or phone number, wants me to register my credit card and the agree to them selling all my data. IF on the other hand, they just made it use some kind of common e-cash and no registration, no tracking, no account, I'd be 100% for it.

kelnos 2y ago
If you pay with a card, then they can track you, so it doesn't really matter if you put that card into a machine or into an app account. For places where I don't expect to return (or only rarely), sure, having to do an app is annoying. But for places where you expect to use it often enough, it can be a time-saver, after the initial time cost of setup.

kelnos 2y ago

Strange, I only have experience with two parking apps, but they both let you pay in 15-minute increments. I have seen meters that have smaller increments, like sub-10-minutes, but when the increments cost something like 50 cents, it's hard to really care that much.

petepete 2y ago

On public transport I can tap in and tap out with the wallet on phone or any bank card. Car parks could work in exactly the same way, but instead there are 15 apps.