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> But that didn't stop Mojang, amongst others Stop them from... Making one of the most notoriously slow and bloated video game ever? Like, just look at the amo

> But that didn't stop Mojang, amongst others Stop them from... Making one of the most notoriously slow and bloated video game ever? Like, just look at the amount of results for "Minecraft" "slow"

harperlee 2y ago
The fact that it was later bought by Microsoft (and rewritten in C++ so it can run on consoles[1]) is not relevant to the argument that you can, in fact, write a successful and performant game in Java, if you know how. [1] My source is just comments in HN.
- vips7L 2y ago
  I’m sure the C++ version is more performant, but that doesn’t strictly mean it was ported for performance. Is there even a JVM on those consoles? I suspect the answer is no and it was easier to remake in C++ than to port OpenJdk to the Xbox 360.
ben_w 2y ago
> Like, just look at the amount of results for "Minecraft" "slow" My niece was playing it just fine on a decade-old Mac mini. I've played it a bit on a Raspberry Pi. The sales figures suggest my nice's experience is fairly typical, and things such as you quote are more like the typical noise that accompanies all things done in public — people complaining about performance is something which every video game gets. Sometimes the performance even becomes the butt of a comic strips' joke. If Java automatically causing low performance, neither my niece's old desktop nor my Pi would have been able to run it. If you get me ranting on the topic: Why does BG3 take longer to load a saved game file than my 1997 Performa 5200 took to cold boot? Likewise Civ VI, on large maps?
- jcelerier 2y ago
  > I've played it a bit on a Raspberry Pi. I actually tried it in a pi literally a few days agod (came across an older pi which had it preinstalled) and it's pretty much unplayable > Why does BG3 take longer to load a saved game file than my 1997 Performa 5200 took to cold boot? Likewise Civ V, on large maps? I believe there should be the possibility for legal customer complaints when this happen just like I can file a complaint if I buy a microwave and it takes 2 minutes to start
  - ben_w 2y ago
    > I actually tried it in a pi literally a few days agod (came across an older pi which had it preinstalled) and it's pretty much unplayable Huh. Weird. Fine for me. Glad I'm not the QA/dev that has to sort out why.
Ragnarork 2y ago
> one of the most notoriously slow and bloated video game ever? I like how you conveniently focus on that aspect and not how that didn't prevent it from being one of the biggest video game hit of all time. Those two can be true at the same time. And that's one thing that a lot of technical people don't get. Slow is generally bad. But you cannot take it out of context. Slow can mean different things to different people, and slow can be circumvented by strategies that do not involve "making the code run faster".
genewitch 2y ago
Runs fine on an essentially single threaded 7350k with a 1050ti I built 8-9 years ago. The server runs on a single thread on a NUC, too.
sensanaty 2y ago
Are we talking modded? Cause Vanilla minecraft runs on a potato, especially if the device is connecting to a server (aka doesn't have to do the server-side updates itself).

> But that didn't stop Mojang, amongst others Stop them from... Making one of the most notoriously slow and bloated video game ever? Like, just look at the amount of results for "Minecraft" "slow"

harperlee 2y ago

The fact that it was later bought by Microsoft (and rewritten in C++ so it can run on consoles[1]) is not relevant to the argument that you can, in fact, write a successful and performant game in Java, if you know how. [1] My source is just comments in HN.

vips7L 2y ago
I’m sure the C++ version is more performant, but that doesn’t strictly mean it was ported for performance. Is there even a JVM on those consoles? I suspect the answer is no and it was easier to remake in C++ than to port OpenJdk to the Xbox 360.

ben_w 2y ago

> Like, just look at the amount of results for "Minecraft" "slow" My niece was playing it just fine on a decade-old Mac mini. I've played it a bit on a Raspberry Pi. The sales figures suggest my nice's experience is fairly typical, and things such as you quote are more like the typical noise that accompanies all things done in public — people complaining about performance is something which every video game gets. Sometimes the performance even becomes the butt of a comic strips' joke. If Java automatically causing low performance, neither my niece's old desktop nor my Pi would have been able to run it. If you get me ranting on the topic: Why does BG3 take longer to load a saved game file than my 1997 Performa 5200 took to cold boot? Likewise Civ VI, on large maps?

jcelerier 2y ago
> I've played it a bit on a Raspberry Pi. I actually tried it in a pi literally a few days agod (came across an older pi which had it preinstalled) and it's pretty much unplayable > Why does BG3 take longer to load a saved game file than my 1997 Performa 5200 took to cold boot? Likewise Civ V, on large maps? I believe there should be the possibility for legal customer complaints when this happen just like I can file a complaint if I buy a microwave and it takes 2 minutes to start
- ben_w 2y ago
  > I actually tried it in a pi literally a few days agod (came across an older pi which had it preinstalled) and it's pretty much unplayable Huh. Weird. Fine for me. Glad I'm not the QA/dev that has to sort out why.

Ragnarork 2y ago

> one of the most notoriously slow and bloated video game ever? I like how you conveniently focus on that aspect and not how that didn't prevent it from being one of the biggest video game hit of all time. Those two can be true at the same time. And that's one thing that a lot of technical people don't get. Slow is generally bad. But you cannot take it out of context. Slow can mean different things to different people, and slow can be circumvented by strategies that do not involve "making the code run faster".

genewitch 2y ago

Runs fine on an essentially single threaded 7350k with a 1050ti I built 8-9 years ago. The server runs on a single thread on a NUC, too.

sensanaty 2y ago

Are we talking modded? Cause Vanilla minecraft runs on a potato, especially if the device is connecting to a server (aka doesn't have to do the server-side updates itself).