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well, im a tech bro american living in miami, from poor alabama to a bigger-city life and mid-income from basically working in IT infrastructure and datacenter

well, im a tech bro american living in miami, from poor alabama to a bigger-city life and mid-income from basically working in IT infrastructure and datacenter operations. i've worked my way into some kinda something and worth basically through savings and working a lot of hours and also now operating in a leadership role for a $20B privately owned company. i myself know first hand wasteful spending and putting in minimal effort would have never afforded me where i have gotten today. i lived with roommates, bad neighborhoods in altanta, birmingham, all to save money and get by and build myself up to where i needed to be. so my 1st hand experience or anecdotes will highly sway my own viewpoints, so im saying all of this to say i will not be without bias when it comes to accountability and wastefulness. now with that all being said, when i see contracts like this: "Telephone Based Mindfulness Training to reduce blood pressure in black-women" $2million(https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_47PH0825C0001_4740_-NONE-_-NONE- https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_47PH0825C0001_474...) "South Sudan Gender Aware Sustainanable Water and Sanitation": $40Million (https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_72066821C00009_7200_-NONE-_-NONE- https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_72066821C00009_72...) State Department Spending on Social Media Influencers:$4M (https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/FESTIVUS-REPORT-2024.pdf https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/FESTIVUS-REP...) Just some random example of currently killed or going to be killed contracts....I feel like all I had to do is have friends in government to basically just suck money off of the people while adding nothing back to society as a result of it. There are hundreds to many thousands of discovered "projects" and funds with these type of numbers. This is a plague in my viewpoint and does nothing to benefit society and move the needle, which engineers so pride themselves in doing...

kweingar 2y ago
I'm confused, I thought we were talking about laying off federal employees. Now we're talking about contracts?
xyst 2y ago
yeah man, you got yourself out of the salt mines of Alabama. So time to pull up the ladder, right? > "Telephone Based Mindfulness Training to reduce blood pressure in black-women" $2million(https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_47PH0825C0001_474 https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_47PH0825C0001_474...) The link you provided indicates funds were for repair to some bridge at port of entry in TX - "YSLETA, LAND PORT OF ENTRY PAVEMENT REPLACEMENT REPAIRS PROJECT, EL PASO, TX AWARD WAS MADE WITH LOW EMBODIED CARBON FUNDING" > "South Sudan Gender Aware Sustainanable Water and Sanitation": $40Million (https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_72066821C00009_72 https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_72066821C00009_72...) "tech bro American" doesn't want clean water for people in Sudan and promotion of basic hygiene practices. https://dt-global.com/projects/afia-wash/ https://dt-global.com/projects/afia-wash/ > State Department Spending on Social Media Influencers:$4M (https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/FESTIVUS-REP https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/FESTIVUS-REP...) There's so much wrong with this source material. It is so biased. All of these "killed" contracts you deem as wasteful yet turn a blind eye to the _billions_ that public companies pour into stock buybacks. Minimal investment back into the company. This only helps _rich_ cunts and foreign investors.
- honeybadger1 2y ago
  Why can't both points be true at the same time?
  - wizzwizz4 2y ago
    Because one of the points is false. A priori, you're right: there could be hideous waste in this area. There probably is, even. But you haven't provided examples of it, and there's no real reason to assume that the wasted effort would be obvious at a glance.
- airstrike 2y ago
  Stock buybacks aren't inherently evil or immoral. They are just like issuing dividends, no difference, and are the reason companies exist: to return value to their equity holders for the equity risk they bear. They could be a sign of a lack of better projects for the company to invest in. There's likely something to be said about tying stock buy backs to more stock options for employees, but it'd have to be voluntary rather than regulated. There's definitely something to be said about CEO compensation relative to worker wages. But that's a civil society discussion, not a government regulation one. And finally capital gains taxes being lower than income taxes is morally reprehensible, but this one will take quite a bit of work to undo without destroying the US economy due to capital flight out of the country once the law changes
neuronet 2y ago
There is waste in every org, but what they are doing is the equivalent of deleting files that contain the word "diversity" in them instead of going through and actually reading the files. Because that would take time and patience. It's a low-brow sledgehammer approach and is hurting people inside and outside the organizations in government. E.g., people handling nuclear safety. It's not just throwing out the baby with the bathwater, it is throwing babies, adults, scalding hot bathwater out onto the people that it was supposed to help. These tech-bro-americans with very little experience with science, biotech, helping other people, international relations, understanding of how institutional knowledge works, or grant funding cycles and NIH works, are dismantling key infrastructure. It's worse than dumb it's much more terrifying.
ajmurmann 2y ago
I don't know about the mindfulness thing. But If at least want to hear about it before cancelling it. The others though are positive to me. Water and sanitation are a HUGE issue in developing countries. It's a main disease vector. It's also very common in many places that women have to practically sneak out of the village at night to go to the bathroom (some field) and get raped. Given anything I've heard about South Sudan I'd need surprised if these issues didn't exist there. Third one is a positive surprise. Propaganda is clearly of increased importance in this century and we must fight the fight.
- ChrisRR 2y ago
  That's the interesting part about their comment, is that they've instantly assumed that these are pointless contracts based on name alone. Without looking into it you can't just assume that mindfulness training doesn't have a proven clinical effect on blood pressure, and if it does then it's a good use of money. Preventative healthcare is still healthcare
jampekka 2y ago
Helping destitute people get water and sanitation seems like giving to society. It's very typical and likely very effective foreign aid. Probably it got picked here because of "Gender Aware", as if sanitation having gender-related issues is somehow weird. Your link to the blood pressure reduction project is linking to something totally else, but in general such approaches seem to have some scientific backing. Improving public health seems like benefiting the society. I wonder how many engineers really benefit society with their work, and how many even actively harm it. https://bmccardiovascdisord.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12872-024-03746-w https://bmccardiovascdisord.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.11...
adolph 2y ago
To the degree that those contracts represent something farcical, they are a symptom of an upstream problem in decision-making. Is that upstream problem something that can be addressed? Or is the amount of error [0] within an a margin whereupon eliminating it costs more than dealing with it? 0. https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/optimal-amount-of-fraud/ https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/optimal-amount-of-fra...
ChrisRR 2y ago
Blood pressure reduction and water and sanitation both sound like genuine issues though (I don't know what the social media one is about so I couldn't comment. Do you actually know that those are pointless contracts or are you just making assumptions based on the titles?
fionaellie 2y ago
Sometimes viewing the world through your own lens is harmful, as you've learned here from the thoughtful replies to your comments. If you haven't traveled to places like South Sudan, haven't been black, and have no real understanding of the psychology of propaganda, then your responses are reactive and uninformed. It's a less-well-understood version of the "deleting" of USAID -- a tiny financial impact even there, but immense human suffering and loss of trust as a result. It's the lack of understanding of the average citizen that has resulted in this emotional, baseless movement we are witnessing.

kweingar 2y ago

I'm confused, I thought we were talking about laying off federal employees. Now we're talking about contracts?

xyst 2y ago

yeah man, you got yourself out of the salt mines of Alabama. So time to pull up the ladder, right? > "Telephone Based Mindfulness Training to reduce blood pressure in black-women" $2million(https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_47PH0825C0001_474 https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_47PH0825C0001_474...) The link you provided indicates funds were for repair to some bridge at port of entry in TX - "YSLETA, LAND PORT OF ENTRY PAVEMENT REPLACEMENT REPAIRS PROJECT, EL PASO, TX AWARD WAS MADE WITH LOW EMBODIED CARBON FUNDING" > "South Sudan Gender Aware Sustainanable Water and Sanitation": $40Million (https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_72066821C00009_72 https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_72066821C00009_72...) "tech bro American" doesn't want clean water for people in Sudan and promotion of basic hygiene practices. https://dt-global.com/projects/afia-wash/ https://dt-global.com/projects/afia-wash/ > State Department Spending on Social Media Influencers:$4M (https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/FESTIVUS-REP https://www.hsgac.senate.gov/wp-content/uploads/FESTIVUS-REP...) There's so much wrong with this source material. It is so biased. All of these "killed" contracts you deem as wasteful yet turn a blind eye to the _billions_ that public companies pour into stock buybacks. Minimal investment back into the company. This only helps _rich_ cunts and foreign investors.

honeybadger1 2y ago
Why can't both points be true at the same time?
- wizzwizz4 2y ago
  Because one of the points is false. A priori, you're right: there could be hideous waste in this area. There probably is, even. But you haven't provided examples of it, and there's no real reason to assume that the wasted effort would be obvious at a glance.
airstrike 2y ago
Stock buybacks aren't inherently evil or immoral. They are just like issuing dividends, no difference, and are the reason companies exist: to return value to their equity holders for the equity risk they bear. They could be a sign of a lack of better projects for the company to invest in. There's likely something to be said about tying stock buy backs to more stock options for employees, but it'd have to be voluntary rather than regulated. There's definitely something to be said about CEO compensation relative to worker wages. But that's a civil society discussion, not a government regulation one. And finally capital gains taxes being lower than income taxes is morally reprehensible, but this one will take quite a bit of work to undo without destroying the US economy due to capital flight out of the country once the law changes

neuronet 2y ago

There is waste in every org, but what they are doing is the equivalent of deleting files that contain the word "diversity" in them instead of going through and actually reading the files. Because that would take time and patience. It's a low-brow sledgehammer approach and is hurting people inside and outside the organizations in government. E.g., people handling nuclear safety. It's not just throwing out the baby with the bathwater, it is throwing babies, adults, scalding hot bathwater out onto the people that it was supposed to help. These tech-bro-americans with very little experience with science, biotech, helping other people, international relations, understanding of how institutional knowledge works, or grant funding cycles and NIH works, are dismantling key infrastructure. It's worse than dumb it's much more terrifying.

ajmurmann 2y ago

I don't know about the mindfulness thing. But If at least want to hear about it before cancelling it. The others though are positive to me. Water and sanitation are a HUGE issue in developing countries. It's a main disease vector. It's also very common in many places that women have to practically sneak out of the village at night to go to the bathroom (some field) and get raped. Given anything I've heard about South Sudan I'd need surprised if these issues didn't exist there. Third one is a positive surprise. Propaganda is clearly of increased importance in this century and we must fight the fight.

ChrisRR 2y ago
That's the interesting part about their comment, is that they've instantly assumed that these are pointless contracts based on name alone. Without looking into it you can't just assume that mindfulness training doesn't have a proven clinical effect on blood pressure, and if it does then it's a good use of money. Preventative healthcare is still healthcare

jampekka 2y ago

Helping destitute people get water and sanitation seems like giving to society. It's very typical and likely very effective foreign aid. Probably it got picked here because of "Gender Aware", as if sanitation having gender-related issues is somehow weird. Your link to the blood pressure reduction project is linking to something totally else, but in general such approaches seem to have some scientific backing. Improving public health seems like benefiting the society. I wonder how many engineers really benefit society with their work, and how many even actively harm it. https://bmccardiovascdisord.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12872-024-03746-w https://bmccardiovascdisord.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.11...

adolph 2y ago

To the degree that those contracts represent something farcical, they are a symptom of an upstream problem in decision-making. Is that upstream problem something that can be addressed? Or is the amount of error [0] within an a margin whereupon eliminating it costs more than dealing with it? 0. https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/optimal-amount-of-fraud/ https://www.bitsaboutmoney.com/archive/optimal-amount-of-fra...

ChrisRR 2y ago

Blood pressure reduction and water and sanitation both sound like genuine issues though (I don't know what the social media one is about so I couldn't comment. Do you actually know that those are pointless contracts or are you just making assumptions based on the titles?

fionaellie 2y ago

Sometimes viewing the world through your own lens is harmful, as you've learned here from the thoughtful replies to your comments. If you haven't traveled to places like South Sudan, haven't been black, and have no real understanding of the psychology of propaganda, then your responses are reactive and uninformed. It's a less-well-understood version of the "deleting" of USAID -- a tiny financial impact even there, but immense human suffering and loss of trust as a result. It's the lack of understanding of the average citizen that has resulted in this emotional, baseless movement we are witnessing.