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'What a lie': Danish astronaut responds to Musk

140 points by belter 2y ago

kasperni 2y ago
From the astronauts themselves: "We don’t feel abandoned, we don’t feel stuck, we don’t feel stranded.” [1] [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/13/science/boeing-starliner-astronauts-stuck-space/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/13/science/boeing-starliner-...
- jansan 2y ago
  Good for them, but let's be honest: It does not give a great picture that they are still up there after more than half a year.
  - ChocolateGod 2y ago
    They've never been "stuck" up there in the sense NASA couldn't get them home asap. NASA just decided to instead use them to do normal ISS duties and put them as part of the standard ISS rotation. It seems they're okay with that.
  - cgcrob 2y ago
    You do realise they were supposed to return on the next crew rotation in Feb? Which was on a Crew Dragon that the delivery is late on. So that's on Musk's company. Now that looks bad. They can't even rescue them because SpaceX are running late.
    - jansan 2y ago
      I am not sure what you are trying to tell me. Do you agree that it does look bad?
      - cgcrob 2y ago
        I think it was fairly clear. The real issue is somewhere else. Perhaps your perception of bad is wrong.
      - deleted 2y ago
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    - whamlastxmas 2y ago
      This is some weird mental gymnastics. They were supposed to be up there 30 days and it’s winding up to be over 280 days due to Boeings failures with starliner. The fact that SpaceX can fill those shoes with a comparatively tiny amount of notice is super embarrassing for Boeing. Secondly, NASA announced in December that SpaceX will return them in Boeing’s place in late March, which SpaceX is still on-time for. SpaceX is having to shuffle stuff around to accommodate this because they didn’t plan for having to pick up Boeing’s slack. Why don’t you go ask Boeing how long they’d take to get another unscheduled Starliner up there. It’d be literally years.
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - dang 2y ago
        > This is some weird mental gymnastics. If you would please edit out swipes from your HN posts as the guidelines request (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), we'd appreciate it. Your comment would be fine without that bit. (Well, the "Why don't you go ask Boeing" is also a little swipey.)
        whamlastxmas 2y ago
        That's fair, sorry dang. I strive to follow the guidelines well and sometimes I slip up. I'll do better.
  - justin66 2y ago
    "Great picture" sounds pretty subjective to me, but Suni Williams served a turn as commander of ISS and performed her eighth (wow) spacewalk while she's been up there. I imagine Wilmore is having fun too. It sucks for the guys who were scheduled to go up and had their trip postponed (not to mention Boeing shareholders) but otherwise, everything seems cool. You can certainly spin it to look any way you want, but using words like "stranded" and passing political conspiracy theories is lame. (the difficulty NASA of the Mir-era would have had in adapting to something comparable to this is something to contemplate)
    - whamlastxmas 2y ago
      If you planned to visit Antarctica and your return trip got cancelled and your month long trip turned into nearly a year, then yeah I think most anyone would say you were stranded in Antarctica
      - deleted 2y ago
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      - guax 2y ago
        If you had a month long trip to antartica. Your ship broke and there is others you can take back. But since your ship broke your boss ask if you want to keep doing that for longer since priorities will change. You say you're cool with it and appreciate the opportunity to do something incredibly unique for longer. Anything goes wrong, you can return at any time. You're not able to stay, there are plans that can bring you earlier, but again, you're cool with it. The only people not cool with it are political goons and the guy who owns a ship company that would benefit wildly on a "rescue mission". Even if fabricated. And I believe the astronauts are less stranded than researchers at McMurdo since getting out of Antartica in bad weather is harder than getting down from the station in the standby capsules. Are they stranded? technically yes. Do they need rescue? no.
- 1vuio0pswjnm7 2y ago
  Saw an interview with one of them on American national TV news. She did not seem the least bit unhappy.
skerit 2y ago
Great. The least we can do is call Musk & co out on their lies. Even if it feels like a full-time job.
- kreetx 2y ago
  Yes, "I have bullet in my body but, cough-cough, I don't feel it needs to be removed yet - just need to show that this other guy is lying!"
  - amtamt 2y ago
    One would be surprised to find out how many humans live with foreign objects embedded in their body, for removal is riskier than the object left in body as it is.
    - DonHopkins 2y ago
      Like dead worms in their brains.
trinix912 2y ago
> Musk responded by calling Mogensen “fully retarded,” adding that “SpaceX could have brought them back several months ago” I'm risking going too off topic with this one, but how did we get to the point where a public (policital?) figure can call someone "fully retarded" in front of the world and not face any backlash? Especially someone with great achievements, that has been to the ISS multiple times, and so on. A few years ago this would have likely resulted in a defamation lawsuit, public backlash, criticism in news...
- cgcrob 2y ago
  In a civil society he shouldn't have lasted past calling someone a pedo in public. Most CEOs would have been ejected from their companies pretty damn quickly. Why not Musk?
  - DonHopkins 2y ago
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    - Jtsummers 2y ago
      It is remarkable the number of comments scarab92 has posted defending Musk. Shows a weird obsession with the man.
      - DonHopkins 2y ago
        Yes, you're not the only one who's noticed. He's not the only one in the least -- sociopaths like that are a dime a dozen and there are many more in the pipeline -- but he's a perfect example of the kind of ignorant angry mentally ill hateful people who Musk attracts and inspires to worship and parrot and emulate himself (but without all the money to get away with it). Imagine how terrible it must be to be his wife or child! I bet he mistreats them just as badly as he behaves in public. They can't just ban him like dang can. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43124217 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43124217 dang 8 hours ago | parent | next [–] Could you please stop posting flamebait comments and please stop duplicating comments? You've been doing way too much of this and are over the line at which we'd ban an account. I don't want to ban you because everyone goes on tilt sometimes, but please stop now. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html krapp 11 hours ago [flagged] [dead] | parent | prev | next [–] You've posted this same comment verbatim or nearly verbatim at least five times in this thread. You keep getting flagged and you keep pasting it in. You're the one who has devolved into incurious and uninformed ranting here, not the people criticizing Musk. Go touch grass or something. 9283409232 13 hours ago | unvote | parent | next [–] I notice you very actively defending Musk in threads but typically leave the conversation when someone ask you to defend the indefensible. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43113638 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43113638 moron4hire 1 day ago | unvote | parent | prev | next [–] This is either woefully naive or active disinformation. Edit: OP dramatically edited their post. It originally made all kinds of claims of process and propriety that just aren't happening. This was the original that I was replying to: ”Most of the animosity comes from misunderstanding. Trump tasked "DOGE" with reviewing government spending across it's 400+ agencies, and coming up with recommendations on how to reduce wasteful spending. They have 1 year to complete this task. To make sensible recommendations, DOGE needs data about the major programs within each agency. They can't tackle each agency consecutively, since there are more agencies than days until the deadline, so they are parallelising the work. The access is read only, and they are not linking personal data between agencies, but rather doing a bunch of separate audits in parallel. Trump has prohibited Musk from being involved in with the review in agencies where he was a material conflict (FAA for example).” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43112911 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43112911 ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 1 day ago | parent | prev | next [–] Do you have an alert setup to tell you when people are bashing the DoGE? shrikant 1 day ago | root | parent | next [–] Wouldn't be a DOGE thread without scarab92 carrying water for this nonsense. reply kennysoona 7 hours ago | root | parent | next [–] This is the type of indoctrination we need to fight against (not your comment but what it references), and it's an open question as to how.
7e 2y ago
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- rsynnott 2y ago
  It's really very specifically around Musk-stuff; his fans flag anything that makes him look bad. HN's user-driven moderation system seems to have been basically designed assuming good faith.
  - huijzer 2y ago
    > It's really very specifically around Musk-stuff; his fans flag anything that makes him look bad. In my experience, anything political is flagged.
    - prox 2y ago
      But this isn’t very political. Astronauts are on the ISS longer than expected. Musk is lying and calling out names. Astronaut points out the lies.
      - dang 2y ago
        Everything about you-know-who is political right now, and probably will be for quite some time.
        prox 2y ago
        Hi dang, I am unsure if flagged entries are still being shown, but this one seems like slam dunk where one party is claiming something without proof and the other is kind of an expert, should that not be visible to most visitors. Of course I am not aware what the implications for you will be, but sometimes these things can be better for the greater good. One side is clearly using propaganda and the other sets the record straight. Up to you of course, we talked a bit earlier on emotional responses to posts, and my emotional response is this such a clear lie by you-know-who that it feels unjust. Thank you in any case for the work you do here!
r0ckarong 2y ago
Breaking: Can't even escape bullshit off world.
cudgy 2y ago
Ad at bottom of article pleads “Why you can rely on the Guardian not to bow to Trump – or anyone” Why is Trump the only name in the sentence? Seems like they’re bowing to someone.
- jgys 2y ago
  Who?
  - cudgy 2y ago
    Good question

140 points by belter 2y ago

From the astronauts themselves: "We don’t feel abandoned, we don’t feel stuck, we don’t feel stranded.” [1] [1] https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/13/science/boeing-starliner-astronauts-stuck-space/index.html https://edition.cnn.com/2025/02/13/science/boeing-starliner-...

jansan 2y ago
Good for them, but let's be honest: It does not give a great picture that they are still up there after more than half a year.
- ChocolateGod 2y ago
  They've never been "stuck" up there in the sense NASA couldn't get them home asap. NASA just decided to instead use them to do normal ISS duties and put them as part of the standard ISS rotation. It seems they're okay with that.
- cgcrob 2y ago
  You do realise they were supposed to return on the next crew rotation in Feb? Which was on a Crew Dragon that the delivery is late on. So that's on Musk's company. Now that looks bad. They can't even rescue them because SpaceX are running late.
  - jansan 2y ago
    I am not sure what you are trying to tell me. Do you agree that it does look bad?
    - cgcrob 2y ago
      I think it was fairly clear. The real issue is somewhere else. Perhaps your perception of bad is wrong.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
  - whamlastxmas 2y ago
    This is some weird mental gymnastics. They were supposed to be up there 30 days and it’s winding up to be over 280 days due to Boeings failures with starliner. The fact that SpaceX can fill those shoes with a comparatively tiny amount of notice is super embarrassing for Boeing. Secondly, NASA announced in December that SpaceX will return them in Boeing’s place in late March, which SpaceX is still on-time for. SpaceX is having to shuffle stuff around to accommodate this because they didn’t plan for having to pick up Boeing’s slack. Why don’t you go ask Boeing how long they’d take to get another unscheduled Starliner up there. It’d be literally years.
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - dang 2y ago
      > This is some weird mental gymnastics. If you would please edit out swipes from your HN posts as the guidelines request (https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html), we'd appreciate it. Your comment would be fine without that bit. (Well, the "Why don't you go ask Boeing" is also a little swipey.)
      - whamlastxmas 2y ago
        That's fair, sorry dang. I strive to follow the guidelines well and sometimes I slip up. I'll do better.
- justin66 2y ago
  "Great picture" sounds pretty subjective to me, but Suni Williams served a turn as commander of ISS and performed her eighth (wow) spacewalk while she's been up there. I imagine Wilmore is having fun too. It sucks for the guys who were scheduled to go up and had their trip postponed (not to mention Boeing shareholders) but otherwise, everything seems cool. You can certainly spin it to look any way you want, but using words like "stranded" and passing political conspiracy theories is lame. (the difficulty NASA of the Mir-era would have had in adapting to something comparable to this is something to contemplate)
  - whamlastxmas 2y ago
    If you planned to visit Antarctica and your return trip got cancelled and your month long trip turned into nearly a year, then yeah I think most anyone would say you were stranded in Antarctica
    - deleted 2y ago
      [deleted]
    - guax 2y ago
      If you had a month long trip to antartica. Your ship broke and there is others you can take back. But since your ship broke your boss ask if you want to keep doing that for longer since priorities will change. You say you're cool with it and appreciate the opportunity to do something incredibly unique for longer. Anything goes wrong, you can return at any time. You're not able to stay, there are plans that can bring you earlier, but again, you're cool with it. The only people not cool with it are political goons and the guy who owns a ship company that would benefit wildly on a "rescue mission". Even if fabricated. And I believe the astronauts are less stranded than researchers at McMurdo since getting out of Antartica in bad weather is harder than getting down from the station in the standby capsules. Are they stranded? technically yes. Do they need rescue? no.
1vuio0pswjnm7 2y ago
Saw an interview with one of them on American national TV news. She did not seem the least bit unhappy.

skerit 2y ago

Great. The least we can do is call Musk & co out on their lies. Even if it feels like a full-time job.

kreetx 2y ago
Yes, "I have bullet in my body but, cough-cough, I don't feel it needs to be removed yet - just need to show that this other guy is lying!"
- amtamt 2y ago
  One would be surprised to find out how many humans live with foreign objects embedded in their body, for removal is riskier than the object left in body as it is.
  - DonHopkins 2y ago
    Like dead worms in their brains.

trinix912 2y ago

> Musk responded by calling Mogensen “fully retarded,” adding that “SpaceX could have brought them back several months ago” I'm risking going too off topic with this one, but how did we get to the point where a public (policital?) figure can call someone "fully retarded" in front of the world and not face any backlash? Especially someone with great achievements, that has been to the ISS multiple times, and so on. A few years ago this would have likely resulted in a defamation lawsuit, public backlash, criticism in news...

cgcrob 2y ago
In a civil society he shouldn't have lasted past calling someone a pedo in public. Most CEOs would have been ejected from their companies pretty damn quickly. Why not Musk?
- DonHopkins 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - Jtsummers 2y ago
    It is remarkable the number of comments scarab92 has posted defending Musk. Shows a weird obsession with the man.
    - DonHopkins 2y ago
      Yes, you're not the only one who's noticed. He's not the only one in the least -- sociopaths like that are a dime a dozen and there are many more in the pipeline -- but he's a perfect example of the kind of ignorant angry mentally ill hateful people who Musk attracts and inspires to worship and parrot and emulate himself (but without all the money to get away with it). Imagine how terrible it must be to be his wife or child! I bet he mistreats them just as badly as he behaves in public. They can't just ban him like dang can. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43124217 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43124217 dang 8 hours ago | parent | next [–] Could you please stop posting flamebait comments and please stop duplicating comments? You've been doing way too much of this and are over the line at which we'd ban an account. I don't want to ban you because everyone goes on tilt sometimes, but please stop now. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html krapp 11 hours ago [flagged] [dead] | parent | prev | next [–] You've posted this same comment verbatim or nearly verbatim at least five times in this thread. You keep getting flagged and you keep pasting it in. You're the one who has devolved into incurious and uninformed ranting here, not the people criticizing Musk. Go touch grass or something. 9283409232 13 hours ago | unvote | parent | next [–] I notice you very actively defending Musk in threads but typically leave the conversation when someone ask you to defend the indefensible. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43113638 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43113638 moron4hire 1 day ago | unvote | parent | prev | next [–] This is either woefully naive or active disinformation. Edit: OP dramatically edited their post. It originally made all kinds of claims of process and propriety that just aren't happening. This was the original that I was replying to: ”Most of the animosity comes from misunderstanding. Trump tasked "DOGE" with reviewing government spending across it's 400+ agencies, and coming up with recommendations on how to reduce wasteful spending. They have 1 year to complete this task. To make sensible recommendations, DOGE needs data about the major programs within each agency. They can't tackle each agency consecutively, since there are more agencies than days until the deadline, so they are parallelising the work. The access is read only, and they are not linking personal data between agencies, but rather doing a bunch of separate audits in parallel. Trump has prohibited Musk from being involved in with the review in agencies where he was a material conflict (FAA for example).” https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43112911 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43112911 ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 1 day ago | parent | prev | next [–] Do you have an alert setup to tell you when people are bashing the DoGE? shrikant 1 day ago | root | parent | next [–] Wouldn't be a DOGE thread without scarab92 carrying water for this nonsense. reply kennysoona 7 hours ago | root | parent | next [–] This is the type of indoctrination we need to fight against (not your comment but what it references), and it's an open question as to how.

7e 2y ago

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rsynnott 2y ago
It's really very specifically around Musk-stuff; his fans flag anything that makes him look bad. HN's user-driven moderation system seems to have been basically designed assuming good faith.
- huijzer 2y ago
  > It's really very specifically around Musk-stuff; his fans flag anything that makes him look bad. In my experience, anything political is flagged.
  - prox 2y ago
    But this isn’t very political. Astronauts are on the ISS longer than expected. Musk is lying and calling out names. Astronaut points out the lies.
    - dang 2y ago
      Everything about you-know-who is political right now, and probably will be for quite some time.
      - prox 2y ago
        Hi dang, I am unsure if flagged entries are still being shown, but this one seems like slam dunk where one party is claiming something without proof and the other is kind of an expert, should that not be visible to most visitors. Of course I am not aware what the implications for you will be, but sometimes these things can be better for the greater good. One side is clearly using propaganda and the other sets the record straight. Up to you of course, we talked a bit earlier on emotional responses to posts, and my emotional response is this such a clear lie by you-know-who that it feels unjust. Thank you in any case for the work you do here!

r0ckarong 2y ago

Breaking: Can't even escape bullshit off world.

cudgy 2y ago

Ad at bottom of article pleads “Why you can rely on the Guardian not to bow to Trump – or anyone” Why is Trump the only name in the sentence? Seems like they’re bowing to someone.

jgys 2y ago
Who?
- cudgy 2y ago
  Good question