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Ah you mean like Google Search?
by visarga 2y ago
Ah you mean like Google Search?
- moring 2y agoGoogle doesn't "vaccuum up" anything. Every site indexed by Google is still available without using Google at all. They are _copying_ information, not moving or removing it.
- bolognafairy 2y agoAnd how does downloading a torrent differ from that?
- notimetorelax 2y agoIt does not, and both uses are fine.
- shakna 2y agoThe sites copied by Google Search explicitly allow it. The books copied by Meta, explicitly disallow it, and require payment for distribution.
- yreg 2y agoInformation wants to be free.
- shakna 2y agoPerhaps. However, information won't be produced, if the already tenuous financial positions of authors is removed. Things should be free, as in speech, not as in beer. Especially in this case. The giants of Silicon Valley could in fact purchase these rights. Few authors care about people personally enjoying a product through otherwise means. They do care about mass distribution without attribution, without royalty, and without regard.
- amanaplanacanal 2y agoInformation isn't copyrightable, at least in the US. Only creative works. But I get what you are saying.
- idiotsecant 2y agoThat's fine and dandy as part of a free as in beer ethos. When 'information' wants to pad the quarterly earnings statement of a gigantic corporation that exists only by grinding the suffering of fellow humans into a fine marketable paste I am somewhat less sympathetic. Information should be free. To people, for non-commercial use.
- roenxi 2y agoThe sites indexed often don't explicitly allow it. I can see my website in the index of web search engines that I never opted in to. I'm not unhappy about it; but was never consulted.
- axus 2y agoLinking is different from copying, and fortunately the last case I remember allows it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticketmaster_Corp._v._Tickets.com,_Inc https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ticketmaster_Corp._v._Tickets.....
- amne 2y agoTell me you've never googled lyrics without telling me.....
- mcursa 2y agoSources are linked below the lyrics though!
- amanaplanacanal 2y agoBut how did can Google index a site without copying it to their servers?
- __MatrixMan__ 2y agoIt doesn't, unless the torrent later becomes unavailable. Then the AI trained with is the only "copy" left. If anything, the law should require that they seed their training data so that the competitive landscape converges on actual technological innovation and not moat building through data destruction.
- arnaudsm 2y agoGoogle Search brings you traffic and revenue. LLMs do not.
- rocqua 2y agoSee also how people have responded to google-snippets. When google search threatens to remove traffic or revenue, people get angry quite quickly.
- idiotsecant 2y agoI still own my content. Google links to it and sends me traffic. We both win. This sort of relationship is not present when my content is anonymously fed into a training model intended to be used to extract users before they are sent to me. And, yes, I am aware Google has pulled some cute shit with this definition, and when they do it then it's also bad.
- visarga 2y ago> Google links to it and sends me traffic Used to, but more recently it's probably LLM agents using Google not people. And even if it's not yet, it will be. Last time I searched for something on Google it messed up so bad I quickly returned to GPT-4o+search.
- idiotsecant 2y agoIf that's the case, Google should go away. I use kagi and it works pretty well for me. The answer to bad products is not to throw away the idea of people getting to control their own content.