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How many times does "Joel on Software" show up on this blog entry? I count 5 times, including the Title and email address. Pot...kettle...black.

johngunderman 18y ago
Yet only once in the body (well, the info paragraph at the bottom). All other references are actually part of the page itself. Futhermore, the info paragraph is probably boilerplate, dropping the times he "mentioned" his blog title down to zero. I wouldnt say that was the pot calling the kettle black in any way, shape, or form.
- BigCanOfTuna 18y ago
  I would. Joel is doing exactly what Sun is doing...saturating your mind with key words/phrases. It's Branding/Marketing.
  - johngunderman 18y ago
    Yep. Except the saturation has context. It isn't blatantly uninformative.
  - alex_c 18y ago
    I found it particularly amusing that after seeing "Joel on Software" in the title here on news.yc, "joelonsoftware.com" after the title, and "Joel on Software" twice on the page before the article, the first words after the article itself were "You’re reading Joel on Software". I had to scan the entire page to see if he's spoofing Sun's behavior.
    - yters 18y ago
      Very clever spoof of Joel on Software. You've captured his unintentional irony perfectly. Now that I've seen "Joel on Software" 7 times in this thread, I can't help but think "Joel on Software" when I see "Joel," "on," or "Software."
swilliams 18y ago
Ok, let's analyze this "burn:" Instances of "Joel on Software" on the linked page: * Header image that states "Joel On Software" and links to the homepage. This is a common website device. One * Another text link before the article title. Ok, this one seems extraneous. Though since the first is an image, this is more SEO friendly. Two * Not mentioned anywhere in the article. * The footer contains another link. Again, this isn't really irregular. Three * The email for the author of the article. Would it satisfy you if Joel had used another domain for his email address? Four So there are a grand total of 4 appearances on that particular page, and with the exception (maybe) of one, none are spammy. Did you come into this discussion solely to diss the author? Joel was pointing out something inane in a wizard dialog box, and you essentially call him a hypocrite.
- BigCanOfTuna 18y ago
  Let's be clear on one thing. I didn't "essentially" call him a hypocrite, I "really" called him a hypocrite.
  - nailer 18y ago
    Perhaps the both of you can settle your differences by reading more Joel on Software whilst experiencing the Power of Java?
  - ellyagg 18y ago
    True, although as swilliams pointed out, your comment was borderline retarded. My guess is you have a tendency to dismiss Joel Spolsky out of hand, and have long since stopped bothering yourself to reason about your hatred.
- jonny_noog 18y ago
  I'm not going to get into the hypocrite issue, but I certainly would like the dialog box better if it did just say "Java Loves You - Please Wait". I'd like to think that I am generally attractive from a programming language's point of view and such a dialog box wouls only reinforce this belief.

johngunderman 18y ago

Yet only once in the body (well, the info paragraph at the bottom). All other references are actually part of the page itself. Futhermore, the info paragraph is probably boilerplate, dropping the times he "mentioned" his blog title down to zero. I wouldnt say that was the pot calling the kettle black in any way, shape, or form.

BigCanOfTuna 18y ago
I would. Joel is doing exactly what Sun is doing...saturating your mind with key words/phrases. It's Branding/Marketing.
- johngunderman 18y ago
  Yep. Except the saturation has context. It isn't blatantly uninformative.
- alex_c 18y ago
  I found it particularly amusing that after seeing "Joel on Software" in the title here on news.yc, "joelonsoftware.com" after the title, and "Joel on Software" twice on the page before the article, the first words after the article itself were "You’re reading Joel on Software". I had to scan the entire page to see if he's spoofing Sun's behavior.
  - yters 18y ago
    Very clever spoof of Joel on Software. You've captured his unintentional irony perfectly. Now that I've seen "Joel on Software" 7 times in this thread, I can't help but think "Joel on Software" when I see "Joel," "on," or "Software."

swilliams 18y ago

Ok, let's analyze this "burn:" Instances of "Joel on Software" on the linked page: * Header image that states "Joel On Software" and links to the homepage. This is a common website device. One * Another text link before the article title. Ok, this one seems extraneous. Though since the first is an image, this is more SEO friendly. Two * Not mentioned anywhere in the article. * The footer contains another link. Again, this isn't really irregular. Three * The email for the author of the article. Would it satisfy you if Joel had used another domain for his email address? Four So there are a grand total of 4 appearances on that particular page, and with the exception (maybe) of one, none are spammy. Did you come into this discussion solely to diss the author? Joel was pointing out something inane in a wizard dialog box, and you essentially call him a hypocrite.

BigCanOfTuna 18y ago
Let's be clear on one thing. I didn't "essentially" call him a hypocrite, I "really" called him a hypocrite.
- nailer 18y ago
  Perhaps the both of you can settle your differences by reading more Joel on Software whilst experiencing the Power of Java?
- ellyagg 18y ago
  True, although as swilliams pointed out, your comment was borderline retarded. My guess is you have a tendency to dismiss Joel Spolsky out of hand, and have long since stopped bothering yourself to reason about your hatred.
jonny_noog 18y ago
I'm not going to get into the hypocrite issue, but I certainly would like the dialog box better if it did just say "Java Loves You - Please Wait". I'd like to think that I am generally attractive from a programming language's point of view and such a dialog box wouls only reinforce this belief.