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Well, it is a government agency tasked with audits. Why shouldn't it have root access?

by _1tem 2y ago

barkerja 2y ago
Therein lies the problem: it's not a government agency, at least not without Congressional approval.
djaychela 2y ago
Is it an actual government agency? From what I've (casually) read, it's an ad-hoc thing that isn't actually genuinely legitimate, from that standpoint?
- mexicocitinluez 2y ago
  It's not. But pseudo-intellects and idiots are still under Elon's spell.
- redeux 2y ago
  Technically DOGE is part of the United States Digital Service (USDS)
- rufus_foreman 2y ago
  >> Is it an actual government agency? Yes. In 2014, after the disastrous rollout of the Healthcare.gov site, President Obama created the "United States Digital Service" (USDS). Its stated mission was to modernize technology and improve efficiency across all US departments and agencies. President Trump renamed the USDS to the "United States DOGE Service" (USDS) and created a temporary "Department of Government Efficiency" (DOGE) organization within the USDS that will operate until July 4, 2026. Every US government agency is required to establish a DOGE team within that agency to work with the USDS to "improve the quality and efficiency of government-wide software, network infrastructure, and information technology (IT) systems".
- snvzz 2y ago
  >Is it an actual government agency? Yes. With full support from the recently democratically elected president of the united states.
michaelt 2y ago
Your employer is being audited. An unaccompanied stranger wearing a visitor pass comes up to your desk. He says "Hello I'm the password security auditor, tell me your password so I can make sure it's secure" Will your company fail the audit if don't hand over the information? Or will your company fail the audit if if you do hand it over?
- pembrook 2y ago
  You've clearly never been audited by the federal government. In the case of the IRS, generally, you must hand over the data they request or you go to jail. Whether or not it's behind a password protected internal system is irrelevant. Everything is potentially material to any conspiracy to commit tax fraud. I see no reason why the Federal government itself, which works for us, should not be subject to reciprocal treatment.
  - preciousoo 2y ago
    Big difference between the IRS and random friends of the President. Congressional Acts is one
    - pembrook 2y ago
      Federal government can audit and wiretap citizens, citizens should be able to audit and wiretap the Federal government.
      - catlifeonmars 2y ago
        I’d prefer it if random citizens don’t have access to my personal information, that happens to be stored in federal government systems. Especially without any guarantees or regulations around the access.
        pembrook 2y ago
        Bad news, there's a spreadsheet of every Americans SSN, Residential Address, and more widely available with a bit of googling. It's currently being passed around Lagos on zip drives as we speak, and has been for years.
mexicocitinluez 2y ago
This is an idea you just made up to defend this BS. Like, audit's require root access? What? Is this real life? Are people just making things up and saying whatever to defend someone who has no allegiance to this country getting the keys to the kingdom while also coincidentally making a fortune off of taxpayers through federal subsidies? Are you slow?
catlifeonmars 2y ago
Usually, you do not hand out “root access” to auditors. Auditors are there to gather information (e.g to audit) and report. In general, you don’t give out broadly permissive access to sensitive systems because people (yes even incredibly competent people) are prone to getting confused or mistyping and you really don’t want anyone deleting the entire database at the drop of a hat because they didn’t have enough coffee that morning and were logged into the wrong system.
chasing 2y ago
Not a government agency.
Volundr 2y ago
> Well, it is a government agency tasked with audits. Why shouldn't it have root access? Why should it? I've participated in a number of audits. None of them involved giving the auditors root access. They get read-only access to exactly what they need and nothing more, if they get access at all. Oftentimes it's the people with access pulling data based on what they request.
whymeogod 2y ago
No, it is not a government agency. No, it is not tasked with audits. It is not performing any audit before its actions, nor is it producing anything resembling an audit. No, audits do not require root access. And in fact root access (the ability to change data) contradicts audit best practices.
Bhilai 2y ago
Just curious: have you ever been a part of any audit? May be at your workplace or a tax audit?

Well, it is a government agency tasked with audits. Why shouldn't it have root access?

by _1tem 2y ago

Well, it is a government agency tasked with audits. Why shouldn't it have root access?

barkerja 2y ago

Therein lies the problem: it's not a government agency, at least not without Congressional approval.

djaychela 2y ago

Is it an actual government agency? From what I've (casually) read, it's an ad-hoc thing that isn't actually genuinely legitimate, from that standpoint?

mexicocitinluez 2y ago
It's not. But pseudo-intellects and idiots are still under Elon's spell.
redeux 2y ago
Technically DOGE is part of the United States Digital Service (USDS)
rufus_foreman 2y ago
>> Is it an actual government agency? Yes. In 2014, after the disastrous rollout of the Healthcare.gov site, President Obama created the "United States Digital Service" (USDS). Its stated mission was to modernize technology and improve efficiency across all US departments and agencies. President Trump renamed the USDS to the "United States DOGE Service" (USDS) and created a temporary "Department of Government Efficiency" (DOGE) organization within the USDS that will operate until July 4, 2026. Every US government agency is required to establish a DOGE team within that agency to work with the USDS to "improve the quality and efficiency of government-wide software, network infrastructure, and information technology (IT) systems".
snvzz 2y ago
>Is it an actual government agency? Yes. With full support from the recently democratically elected president of the united states.

michaelt 2y ago

Your employer is being audited. An unaccompanied stranger wearing a visitor pass comes up to your desk. He says "Hello I'm the password security auditor, tell me your password so I can make sure it's secure" Will your company fail the audit if don't hand over the information? Or will your company fail the audit if if you do hand it over?

pembrook 2y ago
You've clearly never been audited by the federal government. In the case of the IRS, generally, you must hand over the data they request or you go to jail. Whether or not it's behind a password protected internal system is irrelevant. Everything is potentially material to any conspiracy to commit tax fraud. I see no reason why the Federal government itself, which works for us, should not be subject to reciprocal treatment.
- preciousoo 2y ago
  Big difference between the IRS and random friends of the President. Congressional Acts is one
  - pembrook 2y ago
    Federal government can audit and wiretap citizens, citizens should be able to audit and wiretap the Federal government.
    - catlifeonmars 2y ago
      I’d prefer it if random citizens don’t have access to my personal information, that happens to be stored in federal government systems. Especially without any guarantees or regulations around the access.
      - pembrook 2y ago
        Bad news, there's a spreadsheet of every Americans SSN, Residential Address, and more widely available with a bit of googling. It's currently being passed around Lagos on zip drives as we speak, and has been for years.

mexicocitinluez 2y ago

This is an idea you just made up to defend this BS. Like, audit's require root access? What? Is this real life? Are people just making things up and saying whatever to defend someone who has no allegiance to this country getting the keys to the kingdom while also coincidentally making a fortune off of taxpayers through federal subsidies? Are you slow?

catlifeonmars 2y ago

Usually, you do not hand out “root access” to auditors. Auditors are there to gather information (e.g to audit) and report. In general, you don’t give out broadly permissive access to sensitive systems because people (yes even incredibly competent people) are prone to getting confused or mistyping and you really don’t want anyone deleting the entire database at the drop of a hat because they didn’t have enough coffee that morning and were logged into the wrong system.

chasing 2y ago

Not a government agency.

Volundr 2y ago

> Well, it is a government agency tasked with audits. Why shouldn't it have root access? Why should it? I've participated in a number of audits. None of them involved giving the auditors root access. They get read-only access to exactly what they need and nothing more, if they get access at all. Oftentimes it's the people with access pulling data based on what they request.

whymeogod 2y ago

No, it is not a government agency. No, it is not tasked with audits. It is not performing any audit before its actions, nor is it producing anything resembling an audit. No, audits do not require root access. And in fact root access (the ability to change data) contradicts audit best practices.

Bhilai 2y ago

Just curious: have you ever been a part of any audit? May be at your workplace or a tax audit?