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When I traveled to KL in 2019 I was impressed with how open and tolerant it was. My wife and I were asked no questions upon entry. Our passports were stamped

When I traveled to KL in 2019 I was impressed with how open and tolerant it was. My wife and I were asked no questions upon entry. Our passports were stamped and we were told "Welcome to Malaysia". We went during Eid, and were very comfortable despite being western atheists.

csomar 2y ago
The Parent is a Chinese-Malay and they do have grievances but his answer is probably biased. Malaysia is far from perfect but it is not Afghanistan. It is one of the best Muslim countries.
- 2-3-7-43-1807 2y ago
  I'd argue Germany is the better Muslim country.
fennecfoxy 2y ago
Open & tolerant? As a gay man you just made me laugh & cry. Hell, even fairly recently: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rkx271xe6o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rkx271xe6o a kiss between 2 men on stage got the band banned from the country. Now, before you completely disregard the point I'm making; yes, they did ignore the laws/warnings they were given but your point is that Malaysia is tolerant and my point is that Malaysia is not tolerant at all. We should call out intolerance when we see it; saying homophobia is a part of their "culture" is not good enough.
- krageon 2y ago
  Ignoring an explicit law and then getting punished (and not even all that badly) is not at all germane to the subject, which is insecurity about rules that may start existing soon or are undocumented. If you go to a muslim country and make out with another dude you're making a statement, which is fine. You know what the consequences will be before you do it. Your described scenario is no different from saying using white phosphorus on civilians is bad on stage in the US, which will also land you in incredible trouble.
  - fennecfoxy 2y ago
    It was _just_ an example of their intolerance having a real world effect. That's why I _specifically_ made a statement about people missing my point, because I knew someone would, because people _always_ do when it comes to imagining how they would feel if they were persecuted like that. The point _isn't_ that someone can go there and "break the law". The point _is_ that there was a claim that they are tolerant and I refute that claim by saying that they are not.
_lvbh 2y ago
It is not a full on dictatorship. Religions other than Islam are definitely allowed. I am Malaysian and literally grew up in a Christian missionary school.

csomar 2y ago

The Parent is a Chinese-Malay and they do have grievances but his answer is probably biased. Malaysia is far from perfect but it is not Afghanistan. It is one of the best Muslim countries.

2-3-7-43-1807 2y ago
I'd argue Germany is the better Muslim country.

fennecfoxy 2y ago

Open & tolerant? As a gay man you just made me laugh & cry. Hell, even fairly recently: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rkx271xe6o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c8rkx271xe6o a kiss between 2 men on stage got the band banned from the country. Now, before you completely disregard the point I'm making; yes, they did ignore the laws/warnings they were given but your point is that Malaysia is tolerant and my point is that Malaysia is not tolerant at all. We should call out intolerance when we see it; saying homophobia is a part of their "culture" is not good enough.

krageon 2y ago
Ignoring an explicit law and then getting punished (and not even all that badly) is not at all germane to the subject, which is insecurity about rules that may start existing soon or are undocumented. If you go to a muslim country and make out with another dude you're making a statement, which is fine. You know what the consequences will be before you do it. Your described scenario is no different from saying using white phosphorus on civilians is bad on stage in the US, which will also land you in incredible trouble.
- fennecfoxy 2y ago
  It was _just_ an example of their intolerance having a real world effect. That's why I _specifically_ made a statement about people missing my point, because I knew someone would, because people _always_ do when it comes to imagining how they would feel if they were persecuted like that. The point _isn't_ that someone can go there and "break the law". The point _is_ that there was a claim that they are tolerant and I refute that claim by saying that they are not.

_lvbh 2y ago

It is not a full on dictatorship. Religions other than Islam are definitely allowed. I am Malaysian and literally grew up in a Christian missionary school.