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If less than 0.5% of users upload over 100hrs, then either this is an extreme penny pinching move, or some few in that 0.5% upload a massive overage of content.

nutrientharvest 2y ago
It's the latter. Some people abuse the system by highlighting the full length of every broadcast, turning their highlights section into a complete archive of their streams, which is not something Twitch ever wanted to offer.
- MSM 2y ago
  I don't think it's fair to say twitch "never wanted to offer" when not long ago, that behavior was the base functionality. You could rewatch everyone's entire streams forever. There was a DMCA scare at some point when streamers were getting in trouble for their old streams having music and many took down all of their history, but before then you'd see years worth of streams for people
- fcoury 2y ago
  I did that, but not as a way to abuse the system. I used to export all my streams to YouTube directly from Twitch without downloading it first. I would just trim the beginning of the stream and sometimes split in more than one video if I had multiple content in one stream. I have hundreds of videos starting from 2018. I just thought this was ok and now I'm going through the effort of exporting them individually to a youtube account. I wish they had offered at least a way to export or download them in batch.
  - deleted 2y ago
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- bogtog 2y ago
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  - juliangmp 2y ago
    >Asking ChatGPT That alone makes me want to discard your entire argument, but the answer is pretty simple: cost Hosting huge amounts of video data throughout multiple data centers is just plain expensive. Some ads isn't gonna fix that, especially since twitch already has a frustrating amount of ads everywhere.
  - School-Cotton 2y ago
    Every time anyone posts anything from ChatGPT, it gets immediately and massively downvoted. It’s clear the community doesn’t want this; please don’t post it!
Etheryte 2y ago
This is the standard outcome for any type of hosting service that starts out with low/no limitations. The vast majority of the users use it in a way that's sustainable for both parties, and then there's a small subset of users who abuse the system to such an extent that it becomes financially infeasible. Nearly every free hosting service in history has jumped through these hoops at one point.
tsunitsuni 2y ago
0.5% of users is still a lot of people, especially on Twitch. Streaming with more than 11 viewers puts you in the top 3% already: https://twitter.com/zachbussey/status/1367868296473813001 https://twitter.com/zachbussey/status/1367868296473813001
thisgoodlife 2y ago
I guess it’s the latter. If you can afford, give your users a generous offer, but never unlimited. Otherwise, some people will find very creative ways to abuse it.
- bloomingkales 2y ago
  That’s kind of the main consideration with production LLM apps right now. Really looking for a startup that solves this out of the box (llm credit payment system that manages the reality that remote LLM usage can never be unlimited). Twitch will offer a premium sub for heavy users most likely.
- jsheard 2y ago
  Yep, full time streamers run up a lot of hours. https://bsky.app/profile/authorblu.es/post/3likxmdytys2l https://bsky.app/profile/authorblu.es/post/3likxmdytys2l Assuming ~6000kbit/sec that's about 17TB of archived video for that guy alone.
  - mqus 2y ago
    yeah, kinda, but VODs (the automatic recordings) are not covered by this change. This is about edits & uploads, so stuff you would usually put on youtube. If you're a full time streamer and stream every day, Twitch will still provide your past streams for 2 (or 3? not sure) months (or less if you're not popular) and this will not change anything for you.
  - littlestymaar 2y ago
    That's just $500 worth of storage though (and your 6Mbps is likely bit high IMHO). Billing the owner a few bucks each month the each thousand hours of extra storage would make much more sense than removing everything.
    - jsheard 2y ago
      > and your 6Mbps is likely bit high IMHO 6Mbps is Twitches recommended ingest bitrate, and their highest quality just serves the ingested stream back to viewers without transcoding. In reality the storage would actually be a little higher still because they have to store all the transcoded lower resolution versions as well.

nutrientharvest 2y ago

It's the latter. Some people abuse the system by highlighting the full length of every broadcast, turning their highlights section into a complete archive of their streams, which is not something Twitch ever wanted to offer.

MSM 2y ago
I don't think it's fair to say twitch "never wanted to offer" when not long ago, that behavior was the base functionality. You could rewatch everyone's entire streams forever. There was a DMCA scare at some point when streamers were getting in trouble for their old streams having music and many took down all of their history, but before then you'd see years worth of streams for people
fcoury 2y ago
I did that, but not as a way to abuse the system. I used to export all my streams to YouTube directly from Twitch without downloading it first. I would just trim the beginning of the stream and sometimes split in more than one video if I had multiple content in one stream. I have hundreds of videos starting from 2018. I just thought this was ok and now I'm going through the effort of exporting them individually to a youtube account. I wish they had offered at least a way to export or download them in batch.
- deleted 2y ago
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bogtog 2y ago
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- juliangmp 2y ago
  >Asking ChatGPT That alone makes me want to discard your entire argument, but the answer is pretty simple: cost Hosting huge amounts of video data throughout multiple data centers is just plain expensive. Some ads isn't gonna fix that, especially since twitch already has a frustrating amount of ads everywhere.
- School-Cotton 2y ago
  Every time anyone posts anything from ChatGPT, it gets immediately and massively downvoted. It’s clear the community doesn’t want this; please don’t post it!

Etheryte 2y ago

This is the standard outcome for any type of hosting service that starts out with low/no limitations. The vast majority of the users use it in a way that's sustainable for both parties, and then there's a small subset of users who abuse the system to such an extent that it becomes financially infeasible. Nearly every free hosting service in history has jumped through these hoops at one point.

tsunitsuni 2y ago

0.5% of users is still a lot of people, especially on Twitch. Streaming with more than 11 viewers puts you in the top 3% already: https://twitter.com/zachbussey/status/1367868296473813001 https://twitter.com/zachbussey/status/1367868296473813001

thisgoodlife 2y ago

I guess it’s the latter. If you can afford, give your users a generous offer, but never unlimited. Otherwise, some people will find very creative ways to abuse it.

bloomingkales 2y ago
That’s kind of the main consideration with production LLM apps right now. Really looking for a startup that solves this out of the box (llm credit payment system that manages the reality that remote LLM usage can never be unlimited). Twitch will offer a premium sub for heavy users most likely.
jsheard 2y ago
Yep, full time streamers run up a lot of hours. https://bsky.app/profile/authorblu.es/post/3likxmdytys2l https://bsky.app/profile/authorblu.es/post/3likxmdytys2l Assuming ~6000kbit/sec that's about 17TB of archived video for that guy alone.
- mqus 2y ago
  yeah, kinda, but VODs (the automatic recordings) are not covered by this change. This is about edits & uploads, so stuff you would usually put on youtube. If you're a full time streamer and stream every day, Twitch will still provide your past streams for 2 (or 3? not sure) months (or less if you're not popular) and this will not change anything for you.
- littlestymaar 2y ago
  That's just $500 worth of storage though (and your 6Mbps is likely bit high IMHO). Billing the owner a few bucks each month the each thousand hours of extra storage would make much more sense than removing everything.
  - jsheard 2y ago
    > and your 6Mbps is likely bit high IMHO 6Mbps is Twitches recommended ingest bitrate, and their highest quality just serves the ingested stream back to viewers without transcoding. In reality the storage would actually be a little higher still because they have to store all the transcoded lower resolution versions as well.