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> "Conservatives of the US seem to be positively evil" ... This is because the U.S. has become so excessively politically polarized in recent years. The typic
by blooalien 2y ago
> "Conservatives of the US seem to be positively evil" ...
This is because the U.S. has become so excessively politically polarized in recent years. The typical "conservative" here is more like the "extreme right" elsewhere around the world. They're literal "extremists", taking those political views to the furthest extremes they can think of, and actively hating anyone and anything that's not totally in line with that extremist viewpoint. (The political "left" has become much the same in the other direction here these days as well, thus exacerbating the issue from the "other side".) It's really not a "winning combination" for humanity in general. When (some) folks say "both sides are the same", I suspect that's what they're referring to. They're both becoming increasingly "extremist" in their respective viewpoints, and unwilling to move toward "the middle" even a tiny bit to allow for any productive discussion or compromise that could benefit everyone involved.
- pjc50 2y ago"both sides" when it blatantly only one side is the reason you're in this mess.
- lionkor 2y agoThis exact comment is part of the issue, you see? You're saying what Trump said, too, when asked about the divide in the country: "Oh, you know, we are only divided because of THEM". Very ironic.
- 6510 2y agoImagine this, if you provide state of the art free education with all the trimmings. Will the voter become more stupid? Back in the days in NL we had university grads stocking shelves in the supermarket. It was hard to see the point of it. How useful that was became obvious when it was abolished and political parties pretty much had to explain their program as if the voter was 5 years old. The thing is, hardly anything is that simple. Picture a field with spherical cows all over. Everything comes with an explanation simplified to the point it becomes a lie. Every politician needs to carefully keep up with the basket of lies. More and more lies are added on top. One might as well start lying for real and profit from it. If the lion share of voters buys into everything anyway??? This was funny https://youtu.be/T4kNUS7w8Tk https://youtu.be/T4kNUS7w8Tk If god wanted us to give power-point presentations he would have provided screens? Maybe the real budget isn't in the books? https://youtu.be/q_IoizTAL6w https://youtu.be/q_IoizTAL6w https://home.solari.com/fasab-statement-56-understanding-new-government-financial-accounting-loopholes/ https://home.solari.com/fasab-statement-56-understanding-new... http://files.fasab.gov/pdffiles/handbook_sffas_56.pdf http://files.fasab.gov/pdffiles/handbook_sffas_56.pdf
- senordevnyc 2y ago"The root problem is both sides blaming the other side for extremism" seems to me a problematic argument because it becomes rhetorically unfalsifiable. Any counter-example that's offered can immediately be pounced on as evidence for the argument being made. "Anyone who offers evidence that disagrees with me is just more proof that I'm right!"
- lionkor 2y agothis might show that it's not about us vs them, and instead we should find things we have in common and find compromises and work on political and social problems like adults
- johnnyanmac 2y agoIf you saw the EO today, it's pretty clear Trump does not want compromise.
- johnnyanmac 2y agookay, where's his proof? I can provide dozens of links, many quoted from his words, about why he messed it up. That's the difference. We can support our arguments, and the few counterarguments have so many holes or outright lies. The 350b number flying around is so easy to disprove with a few minutes of research. The issue is so few spend that time to fact check. He can't blame egg prices and inflation anymore. He's managed to mess both of those up even more in a month.
- watwut 2y agoThere is no comparison between left radicalizsrion (rather small) and right radicalization (massive). Especially at the part level where radical right rules Republicans and have their support while democrats are centrists and
- blooalien 2y ago> "There is no comparison between left radicalization (rather small) and right radicalization (massive)." Oh no, you're totally right on that one there. The numbers of people going to those extremes are definitely far far higher on "the right" for sure. I just find it a bit "scary" that radicalization and extremism on either side is becoming so normal instead of a massive push-back against it. It's absolutely dangerous that society is coming to accept and support the sorts of extremism that they have in recent years / decades. This is not gonna play out well for humanity. :(
- watwut 2y agoMy problem is that there is massive pushback - but only against left. Right keeps getting excused, euphemized away, explained and "they do not mean it". And what double annoys me that any centrist or leftist who correctly described what right wants and plans ended up labeled extreme left and dismissed. Except they were all right it turned out. I mean, I used to dismiss them too, but eventually figured the situation few years ago.
- blooalien 2y agoYeah, I been watching it devolve bit by bit pretty near my entire life (at least the "aware" years of it). It's been pretty sad how mentioning it at all has (until recently) been met with derision and ridicule. "You're just being paranoid." Umm... No? I'm paying attention to the reality in front of me? "Paranoid" would be if there were no basis in reality for my concerns.
- dartos 2y agoThat’s what cults do. Cultivate in-group bias so that any dissenting opinion are from people not in the know or who can’t be trusted. Works every time.
- watwut 2y agoThere is no comparison between left radicalizsrion (rather small) and right radicalization (massive). Especially at the part level where radical right rules Republicans and have their support while democrats are centrists
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- johnnyanmac 2y agoYou then later go on to post: >It's the left, and America at large has rejected that garbage. So I think you forgot your own sarcasm.
- dns_snek 2y ago> They're both becoming increasingly "extremist" in their respective viewpoints, and unwilling to move toward "the middle" even a tiny bit to allow for any productive discussion or compromise that could benefit everyone involved. I don't see any other outcome when one side is usually supported by evidence and the other side is usually driven by hatred and hysteria generated by rage-bait media. How do you find a middle ground with a nazi?
- krapp 2y agoIt's wild how common the viewpoint by "centrists" is that the problem isn't the nazis, it's people being unreasonable about the nazis.
- koolba 2y ago> It's wild how common the viewpoint by "centrists" is that the problem isn't the nazis, it's people being unreasonable about nazis. What's wilder is that the left clearly still thinks that continually framing their opposition as modern day nazis is a winning electoral strategy.
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- watwut 2y agoIt is more that they think it is true ... and it is true from many aspects. The fact that the right and large part of center do not care about truth and cares only about verbal strategy is the issue. Otherwise said, these are people who honestly express their observations and opinions on what right is. One reason right became what it is is that years of expectation that reasonable people must euphemism away who they are. That reasonable people must enable them.
- dns_snek 2y agoHe is a white guy raised under apartheid who's throwing nazi salutes, overtly referencing nazi ideology and symbology, hiring white supremacist staff to work for him, promoting white supremacist content on a platform that he bought for that explicit purpose, and attending rallies in foreign countries to promote far-right ideology. There's no room for reasonable discussion with anyone who can look at that and come to the conclusion that they're being "framed" as nazis. To be clear, I don't believe all of their voters are nazis, just those who decide to stick with the party in light of the overwhelming evidence.
- arp242 2y ago> The political "left" has become much the same in the other direction here these days as well There are some rather unhinged people on the left, sure, but they're basically just nutters on the internet, maybe a few activist groups, and things like that. They're certainly not the ones running the show: by and large the people elected to office on a Democratic ticket are ... just normal sane people.[1] People you can disagree with, dislike, or even hate: that's all fine. I intently dislike Ronald Reagan, but he was also a relatively normal sane person so that's okay, and part of the normal democratic process. What we've seen in the Republican party is completely different. Not just over the last few months, over the last few decades. Remember Mitch McConnell just outright obstructed anything for years simply as a power game to make the Democrats look bad? Or Republican actors cooking up crazy conspiracies about the Clintons and then banging on and on and on about it for years and years? And of course the Democratic party isn't perfect. But there are degrees of things, and it's just not comparable. This is "murder, rape, and shoplifting" – all are illegal and should be prosecuted, but they're also not hte same. People saying that "both sides are the same" are deeply and profoundly misinformed, suffering from pseudo-intellectual delusions of "being above it all", or just outright arguing in bad faith. [1]: I'm sure there are the occasional exceptions – there are thousands of people if we count federal, state, and local level and any group of thousands has a few nutjobs no matter how you qualify them. It's not above the baseline nutjob factor.
- skissane 2y ago> There are some rather unhinged people on the left, sure, but they're basically just nutters on the internet, maybe a few activist groups, and things like that. They're certainly not the ones running the show Just the other day, Senator Mark Warner (D-VA) was quoted as saying, regarding his own Democratic Party, that “I think the majority of the party realizes that the ideological purity of some of the groups is a recipe for disaster and that candidly the attack on over-the-top wokeism was a valid attack” - https://www.politico.eu/article/us-senator-mark-warner-democrats-brand-really-bad-msc-us-election/ https://www.politico.eu/article/us-senator-mark-warner-democ... So, (if I’m interpreting you correctly) you are saying extreme views isn’t a major problem in the Democratic Party, while Senator Warner is arguing it was a significant contributor to their loss in the 2024 election, and hence Trump being back in the White House. Who is right here?
- filoeleven 2y ago> They're both becoming increasingly "extremist" in their respective viewpoints, and unwilling to move toward "the middle" even a tiny bit to allow for any productive discussion or compromise that could benefit everyone involved. In 2024, Republicans and Democrats in Congress made a lot of compromises to come up with a bipartisan bill to fix the situation at the southern border. Trump told the Republicans to vote against the bill that they had helped craft, because he didn’t want Biden to get the credit. They listened. The parties are not the same.
- Swoerd 2y ago[dead]