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Life expectancy in these countries is still 2-4 years higher than the US..

tayo42 2y ago
This article talks about food and BMI related problems though. The low US life expectancy is mostly from cultural problems IIRC? Drug over doses like from oxycodone and gun violence.
- ElFitz 2y ago
  And ultra-processed foods and associated dietary patterns. They may be spreading far and wide, but these have been popular in the US for longer. https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/ultraprocessed-foods-bad-for-you https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/ultraprocessed-foods-bad-f... https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/processed-foods-what-you-should-know https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speak... https://post.parliament.uk/research-briefings/post-pb-0059/ https://post.parliament.uk/research-briefings/post-pb-0059/ https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/behind-the-headlines/ultra-processed-foods https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-maga... https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/how-to-eat-a-balanced-diet/what-are-processed-foods/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/how-to-eat-a-balanced-...
- orwin 2y ago
  HALE is a better indicator, as it include health: https://data.who.int/indicators/i/48D9B0C/C64284D https://data.who.int/indicators/i/48D9B0C/C64284D On average, USians live 13 year after they are considered "non-healthy". French, Spaniards, Italians live only 10 years after being considered "non-healthy) *this include demention and/or autonomy loss obviously), but live 4 more years total.
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > USians Wat.
    - defrost 2y ago
      Central North Americans. As used by, say, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41344607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41344607 and other https://hn.algolia.com/?query=USians&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=USians&sort=byDate&type=commen...
      - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > Central North Americans Got it, we're all playing Gulf of America now.
        defrost 2y ago
        Sure, if by 'now' you mean since the 1980s on Usenet at least . . . (I've been a regular user for decades, it's common enough outside the English as a primary language North North American bubble .. it's interesting seeing it make inroads on HN in the past few years) FWiW the @tptacek usage I linked was from five months ago, prior to that little USofA parochial renaming fit .. although it does highlight that everyone about the "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)" is, indeed, an American and it makes sense to differentiate them by country.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > the @tptacek usage I linked was from five months ago That was clearly sarcastic use of the term. > it makes sense to differentiate them by country It strikes me as more a way to signal bias / a particular online group membership, sort of like that group that likes to capitalise random words, in a way that generally undermines credibility about anything geopolitical, but I suppose I appreciate that signal.
        defrost 2y ago
        > That was clearly sarcastic use of the term. That predates the recent Yawning Gulf of America hoorah .. there are references going back to at least the 1980s online, and prominent USofA people of letters commenting on the laziness of using "Americans" back into the 1800s. > It strikes me as more a way Sure. A number of english speakers in the USofA do seem to feel that way. It's common practice for humans to make such things all about them. > likes to capitalise random words, The United States is a pairing of random words now? C'mon, you chaps haven't yet screwed the pooch that badly ... yet. > but I suppose I appreciate that signal. Back in the day, when I first encountered its regular usage, it was in international geodesy groups with a good number of people zeroing in the large numbers of traditional ellipsoid datum pairs to the new WGS84 reference standard. It was less about signalling exclusion from the kids under the Canadian hat and more about precision of reference, particularly in a group that had many ESL members a good many of whom counted continents differently to the trad Western standard and had varying rules for indicating Asians, Europeans, Americans, etc. from citizens of specific countries. You know, global geodesists with credible geopolitical backgrounds different to your own bubble. You can find much of their work in various GIS transform standards. > in a way that generally undermines credibility these things are both subjective and reflective. Some find the aggressive, passive or otherwise, projection of blinkered world views to undermine credibility.
orwin 2y ago
HALE (Health Life expectancy) is 7 years higher than the US, across western Europe.

This article talks about food and BMI related problems though. The low US life expectancy is mostly from cultural problems IIRC? Drug over doses like from oxycodone and gun violence.

ElFitz 2y ago
And ultra-processed foods and associated dietary patterns. They may be spreading far and wide, but these have been popular in the US for longer. https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/ultraprocessed-foods-bad-for-you https://www.yalemedicine.org/news/ultraprocessed-foods-bad-f... https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speaking-of-health/processed-foods-what-you-should-know https://www.mayoclinichealthsystem.org/hometown-health/speak... https://post.parliament.uk/research-briefings/post-pb-0059/ https://post.parliament.uk/research-briefings/post-pb-0059/ https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-magazine/news/behind-the-headlines/ultra-processed-foods https://www.bhf.org.uk/informationsupport/heart-matters-maga... https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/how-to-eat-a-balanced-diet/what-are-processed-foods/ https://www.nhs.uk/live-well/eat-well/how-to-eat-a-balanced-...
orwin 2y ago
HALE is a better indicator, as it include health: https://data.who.int/indicators/i/48D9B0C/C64284D https://data.who.int/indicators/i/48D9B0C/C64284D On average, USians live 13 year after they are considered "non-healthy". French, Spaniards, Italians live only 10 years after being considered "non-healthy) *this include demention and/or autonomy loss obviously), but live 4 more years total.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > USians Wat.
  - defrost 2y ago
    Central North Americans. As used by, say, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41344607 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41344607 and other https://hn.algolia.com/?query=USians&sort=byDate&type=comment https://hn.algolia.com/?query=USians&sort=byDate&type=commen...
    - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
      > Central North Americans Got it, we're all playing Gulf of America now.
      - defrost 2y ago
        Sure, if by 'now' you mean since the 1980s on Usenet at least . . . (I've been a regular user for decades, it's common enough outside the English as a primary language North North American bubble .. it's interesting seeing it make inroads on HN in the past few years) FWiW the @tptacek usage I linked was from five months ago, prior to that little USofA parochial renaming fit .. although it does highlight that everyone about the "Gulf of Mexico (Gulf of America)" is, indeed, an American and it makes sense to differentiate them by country.
        JumpCrisscross 2y ago
        > the @tptacek usage I linked was from five months ago That was clearly sarcastic use of the term. > it makes sense to differentiate them by country It strikes me as more a way to signal bias / a particular online group membership, sort of like that group that likes to capitalise random words, in a way that generally undermines credibility about anything geopolitical, but I suppose I appreciate that signal.
        defrost 2y ago
        > That was clearly sarcastic use of the term. That predates the recent Yawning Gulf of America hoorah .. there are references going back to at least the 1980s online, and prominent USofA people of letters commenting on the laziness of using "Americans" back into the 1800s. > It strikes me as more a way Sure. A number of english speakers in the USofA do seem to feel that way. It's common practice for humans to make such things all about them. > likes to capitalise random words, The United States is a pairing of random words now? C'mon, you chaps haven't yet screwed the pooch that badly ... yet. > but I suppose I appreciate that signal. Back in the day, when I first encountered its regular usage, it was in international geodesy groups with a good number of people zeroing in the large numbers of traditional ellipsoid datum pairs to the new WGS84 reference standard. It was less about signalling exclusion from the kids under the Canadian hat and more about precision of reference, particularly in a group that had many ESL members a good many of whom counted continents differently to the trad Western standard and had varying rules for indicating Asians, Europeans, Americans, etc. from citizens of specific countries. You know, global geodesists with credible geopolitical backgrounds different to your own bubble. You can find much of their work in various GIS transform standards. > in a way that generally undermines credibility these things are both subjective and reflective. Some find the aggressive, passive or otherwise, projection of blinkered world views to undermine credibility.

orwin 2y ago

HALE (Health Life expectancy) is 7 years higher than the US, across western Europe.