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You'd think from all Elon Musk's press with DOGE that this is his only job. But he's actually simultaneously CEO of 4 major companies, which explains how he's s

You'd think from all Elon Musk's press with DOGE that this is his only job. But he's actually simultaneously CEO of 4 major companies, which explains how he's spread a bit too thin to correctly supervise the "Big Balls" layoff machine.

jjulius 2y ago
Yet all of his employees, at all of his companies, had better damn well be in the office.
- ivewonyoung 2y ago
  Not a good comparison, anyone's higher ups have the authority to call for an RTO with a consequence of being fired. Trump can do that to Musk, Tesla's board/shareholders can do that. SpaceX investors can potentially gang together and do that depending on Musk's voting share control. Same with XAi, Boring Company etc.
  - jjulius 2y ago
    It's a perfectly cromulent comparison. I'm a firm believer in leading by example. If he's going to swing his "muh RTO" dick around in public the way that he has, while also expecting his employees to put in the hours and effort that he has historically expected of them, while he's off LARP'ing as president and America's savior, he can fuck right off. The suggestion that, "It's not a good comparison because he's a boss and he can make the rules," might be technically true, fine, but it doesn't make it any less hypocritical.
    - ivewonyoung 2y ago
      > I'm a firm believer in leading by example. Then do that wherever you have authority to do for subordinates, and for companies you found or are CEO of. Maybe you already did, do tell us about your accomplishments. Telling others how to run their own company feels strange, especially given how Musk led two companies to great success. > he can fuck right off With what authority or credentials do you say that? That is just your opinion that a lot of others don't seem to share, and they actually put their money where their mouth is, by being shareholders, investors and employees. Or hiring him like Trump did. You are free to short Tesla stock if you truly believe that. Or quit if you're a Tesla employee or in one of his other companies. You're free to vote and campaign against his boss in the govt. A lot of people work multiple jobs and are hired while being transparent about them. I don't see a problem with that if their superiors are okay with it. He lead SpaceX and Tesla to great success, so a lot of people think he has proven that he can multitask successfully. If you or your subordinates(if you have any) have not proven to be capable of doing then don't automatically assume absolutely no one in the world can do that.
      - jjulius 2y ago
        >Then do that wherever you have authority to do for subordinates, and for companies you found or are CEO of. Maybe you already did, do tell us about your accomplishments. Telling others how to run their own company feels strange, especially given how Musk led two companies to great success. Thanks for the advice! I already happen to do my best to act by that ideal, but I appreciate the support. As it happens, I actually haven't told Elon how to run his companies, but if you know of a way I could reach him directly, please let me know! >Telling others how to run their own company feels strange, especially given how Musk led two companies to great success He's welcome to run his businesses however he chooses to, just as we're all welcome to our own opinions about how he runs his businesses. >With what authority or credentials do you say that? What an odd perspective, believing that someone needs to have some kind of "authority" over someone else, or some kind of vetted "credentials", in order to be able to tell them to piss off if they see something they don't like. I'd be curious how you feel, generally, about questioning authority. >That is just your opinion that a lot of others don't seem to share... I hate to do this, but in point of fact, my first response in this thread, at the time of this comment, has 13 upvotes. My second response has 8 upvotes. Your initial response to my first comment has been downvoted enough to be greyed out. Seems like public sentiment 'round these parts is in favor of my perspective. Just because a relative handful of people (compared to the planet's entire population) throws some cash at him in the hopes of generating more wealth for themselves means nothing in this context other than they think whatever he's doing is fine as long as they get richer. I don't believe in obtaining wealth by treating people poorly, but go ahead and keep on keeping on if you do. And please, spare me the argument that we should "trust" the opinion of someone who has very clearly been proven to be a notorious liar. >You are free to short Tesla stock if you truly believe that. Or quit if you're a Tesla employee or in one of his other companies. You're free to vote and campaign against his boss in the govt. I'm also free to voice my opinions whenever I feel like it. Isn't that neat? I kinda prefer to keep my actions localized, by demonstrating what I believe to be good values towards those I interact with on a daily basis. Ya know, leading by example. >A lot of people work multiple jobs and are hired while being transparent about them. I don't see a problem with that if their superiors are okay with it. I never said that there was anything wrong with holding multiple jobs, and I encourage it if folk want to do that! What I take issue with is demanding absolute focus and absolute dedication from your teams, and being an asshole about it, while not doing the same yourself. >He lead SpaceX and Tesla to great success, so a lot of people think he has proven that he can multitask successfully. If you or your subordinates(if you have any) have not proven to be capable of doing then don't automatically assume absolutely no one in the world can do that. "Great success" in this context isn't important to me, and never will be. I don't care what you've achieved if you've had to be a lying, hypocritical asshole to get there.
  - yibg 2y ago
    It's a great example of rules apply to thee but not to me. He expects his employees to be in the office and work 100 hours weeks. But at the same time he's now working what, 0 hours at Tesla? A giant hypocrite.
    - ivewonyoung 2y ago
      He was the CEO of SpaceX and Tesla during their incredible growth and innovation and success(at least when compared to other companies in the space). So he has both the authority to do that and also has shareholders and employees believing that can multitask. That's not true of others. It's not like he's hiding it or lying about it like many people who secretly work multiple remote jobs do.
      - yibg 2y ago
        So as long as someone does a good job they can work remotely and when they like. Almost sounds like evaluations like these should be based on performance and not when and where you work from.
  - pjc50 2y ago
    The majority shareholders are desperately trying to throw money at him, despite the objections of a minority. https://www.reuters.com/legal/delaware-judge-rejects-request-restore-elon-musks-56-billion-tesla-compensation-2024-12-02/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/delaware-judge-rejects-request...
    - johnnyanmac 2y ago
      Sounds like Wall Street is working then. They trying to slowly get out of Tesla but they still want to make a profit off it
TomK32 2y ago
When is Musk's next attempt at an insane Telsa share package due? With his current workload (plus another child) I don't see his chance improving :-)

jjulius 2y ago

Yet all of his employees, at all of his companies, had better damn well be in the office.

ivewonyoung 2y ago
Not a good comparison, anyone's higher ups have the authority to call for an RTO with a consequence of being fired. Trump can do that to Musk, Tesla's board/shareholders can do that. SpaceX investors can potentially gang together and do that depending on Musk's voting share control. Same with XAi, Boring Company etc.
- jjulius 2y ago
  It's a perfectly cromulent comparison. I'm a firm believer in leading by example. If he's going to swing his "muh RTO" dick around in public the way that he has, while also expecting his employees to put in the hours and effort that he has historically expected of them, while he's off LARP'ing as president and America's savior, he can fuck right off. The suggestion that, "It's not a good comparison because he's a boss and he can make the rules," might be technically true, fine, but it doesn't make it any less hypocritical.
  - ivewonyoung 2y ago
    > I'm a firm believer in leading by example. Then do that wherever you have authority to do for subordinates, and for companies you found or are CEO of. Maybe you already did, do tell us about your accomplishments. Telling others how to run their own company feels strange, especially given how Musk led two companies to great success. > he can fuck right off With what authority or credentials do you say that? That is just your opinion that a lot of others don't seem to share, and they actually put their money where their mouth is, by being shareholders, investors and employees. Or hiring him like Trump did. You are free to short Tesla stock if you truly believe that. Or quit if you're a Tesla employee or in one of his other companies. You're free to vote and campaign against his boss in the govt. A lot of people work multiple jobs and are hired while being transparent about them. I don't see a problem with that if their superiors are okay with it. He lead SpaceX and Tesla to great success, so a lot of people think he has proven that he can multitask successfully. If you or your subordinates(if you have any) have not proven to be capable of doing then don't automatically assume absolutely no one in the world can do that.
    - jjulius 2y ago
      >Then do that wherever you have authority to do for subordinates, and for companies you found or are CEO of. Maybe you already did, do tell us about your accomplishments. Telling others how to run their own company feels strange, especially given how Musk led two companies to great success. Thanks for the advice! I already happen to do my best to act by that ideal, but I appreciate the support. As it happens, I actually haven't told Elon how to run his companies, but if you know of a way I could reach him directly, please let me know! >Telling others how to run their own company feels strange, especially given how Musk led two companies to great success He's welcome to run his businesses however he chooses to, just as we're all welcome to our own opinions about how he runs his businesses. >With what authority or credentials do you say that? What an odd perspective, believing that someone needs to have some kind of "authority" over someone else, or some kind of vetted "credentials", in order to be able to tell them to piss off if they see something they don't like. I'd be curious how you feel, generally, about questioning authority. >That is just your opinion that a lot of others don't seem to share... I hate to do this, but in point of fact, my first response in this thread, at the time of this comment, has 13 upvotes. My second response has 8 upvotes. Your initial response to my first comment has been downvoted enough to be greyed out. Seems like public sentiment 'round these parts is in favor of my perspective. Just because a relative handful of people (compared to the planet's entire population) throws some cash at him in the hopes of generating more wealth for themselves means nothing in this context other than they think whatever he's doing is fine as long as they get richer. I don't believe in obtaining wealth by treating people poorly, but go ahead and keep on keeping on if you do. And please, spare me the argument that we should "trust" the opinion of someone who has very clearly been proven to be a notorious liar. >You are free to short Tesla stock if you truly believe that. Or quit if you're a Tesla employee or in one of his other companies. You're free to vote and campaign against his boss in the govt. I'm also free to voice my opinions whenever I feel like it. Isn't that neat? I kinda prefer to keep my actions localized, by demonstrating what I believe to be good values towards those I interact with on a daily basis. Ya know, leading by example. >A lot of people work multiple jobs and are hired while being transparent about them. I don't see a problem with that if their superiors are okay with it. I never said that there was anything wrong with holding multiple jobs, and I encourage it if folk want to do that! What I take issue with is demanding absolute focus and absolute dedication from your teams, and being an asshole about it, while not doing the same yourself. >He lead SpaceX and Tesla to great success, so a lot of people think he has proven that he can multitask successfully. If you or your subordinates(if you have any) have not proven to be capable of doing then don't automatically assume absolutely no one in the world can do that. "Great success" in this context isn't important to me, and never will be. I don't care what you've achieved if you've had to be a lying, hypocritical asshole to get there.
- yibg 2y ago
  It's a great example of rules apply to thee but not to me. He expects his employees to be in the office and work 100 hours weeks. But at the same time he's now working what, 0 hours at Tesla? A giant hypocrite.
  - ivewonyoung 2y ago
    He was the CEO of SpaceX and Tesla during their incredible growth and innovation and success(at least when compared to other companies in the space). So he has both the authority to do that and also has shareholders and employees believing that can multitask. That's not true of others. It's not like he's hiding it or lying about it like many people who secretly work multiple remote jobs do.
    - yibg 2y ago
      So as long as someone does a good job they can work remotely and when they like. Almost sounds like evaluations like these should be based on performance and not when and where you work from.
- pjc50 2y ago
  The majority shareholders are desperately trying to throw money at him, despite the objections of a minority. https://www.reuters.com/legal/delaware-judge-rejects-request-restore-elon-musks-56-billion-tesla-compensation-2024-12-02/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/delaware-judge-rejects-request...
  - johnnyanmac 2y ago
    Sounds like Wall Street is working then. They trying to slowly get out of Tesla but they still want to make a profit off it

TomK32 2y ago

When is Musk's next attempt at an insane Telsa share package due? With his current workload (plus another child) I don't see his chance improving :-)