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WhatsApp is secured by Signal encryption

kelnos 2y ago
WhatsApp is a closed-source client that you cannot trust to faithfully and correctly implement the protocol, or be free of backdoors that allow Meta to snoop on your conversations.
- rs186 2y ago
  At least according to Meta's marketing, WhatsApp is E2E encrypted. And they make ads just for this -- you can literally see billboards in NYC that advertises the encrypted messaging part of the product. It would completely destroy WhatsApp and Meta's brand if there is a backdoor somewhere. Well, Meta is never a great company to begin with, but nobody would ever lie about it and destroy their brand this way. And I truly believe Meta has an incentive to do so. They had to reveal a conversation on Facebook Messenger on the topic of abortion after the police asked for it, which resulted in someone put in jail. Regardless of Meta's (or rather Zuck's) ever changing political position, they don't want to have liability over anything like this. They want to walk away and just say to the cops, look it's all encrypted, there's nothing we can share with you. Better keep conspiracy theories to yourself. It's ok to question things, but better back that up with evidence.
  - awnird 2y ago
    Mark Zuckerberg famously had a term for people like you who trusted him.
    - rs186 2y ago
      In case this is not clear enough: you'd better come up with some real arguments with concrete evidence, or move on. Nobody has time for meaningless speculation.
      - SecretDreams 2y ago
        This is a rare example where I actually think Meta should be providing the evidence, and not the other way around. When you have a history of doing greasy shit, you don't get the benefit of the doubt.
        saagarjha 2y ago
        What evidence would be convincing?
        SecretDreams 2y ago
        How about a breakdown on the exact ways WhatsApp makes them money and how the justified value of $20 bil when meta purchased it made sense?
SecretDreams 2y ago
That's nice. I'll remember that next time I talk about beyblades to a friend in WhatsApp and see adds for them on Reddit the next day.
- Marsymars 2y ago
  The truth is even worse; reddit has enough of a profile built on you that they can predict your penchant for beyblades without even needing your whatsapp chats.
  - SecretDreams 2y ago
    Gasp! Even if I am only talking about the Beyblades on WhatsApp?

WhatsApp is a closed-source client that you cannot trust to faithfully and correctly implement the protocol, or be free of backdoors that allow Meta to snoop on your conversations.

rs186 2y ago
At least according to Meta's marketing, WhatsApp is E2E encrypted. And they make ads just for this -- you can literally see billboards in NYC that advertises the encrypted messaging part of the product. It would completely destroy WhatsApp and Meta's brand if there is a backdoor somewhere. Well, Meta is never a great company to begin with, but nobody would ever lie about it and destroy their brand this way. And I truly believe Meta has an incentive to do so. They had to reveal a conversation on Facebook Messenger on the topic of abortion after the police asked for it, which resulted in someone put in jail. Regardless of Meta's (or rather Zuck's) ever changing political position, they don't want to have liability over anything like this. They want to walk away and just say to the cops, look it's all encrypted, there's nothing we can share with you. Better keep conspiracy theories to yourself. It's ok to question things, but better back that up with evidence.
- awnird 2y ago
  Mark Zuckerberg famously had a term for people like you who trusted him.
  - rs186 2y ago
    In case this is not clear enough: you'd better come up with some real arguments with concrete evidence, or move on. Nobody has time for meaningless speculation.
    - SecretDreams 2y ago
      This is a rare example where I actually think Meta should be providing the evidence, and not the other way around. When you have a history of doing greasy shit, you don't get the benefit of the doubt.
      - saagarjha 2y ago
        What evidence would be convincing?
        SecretDreams 2y ago
        How about a breakdown on the exact ways WhatsApp makes them money and how the justified value of $20 bil when meta purchased it made sense?

SecretDreams 2y ago

That's nice. I'll remember that next time I talk about beyblades to a friend in WhatsApp and see adds for them on Reddit the next day.

Marsymars 2y ago
The truth is even worse; reddit has enough of a profile built on you that they can predict your penchant for beyblades without even needing your whatsapp chats.
- SecretDreams 2y ago
  Gasp! Even if I am only talking about the Beyblades on WhatsApp?