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This is my surprised face -_- If you're shocked or even the slightest bit surprised, then I can't imagine how blissful your life is to be so unaware about how

This is my surprised face -_- If you're shocked or even the slightest bit surprised, then I can't imagine how blissful your life is to be so unaware about how much corporations are sharing data with each other. Like, I wholeheartedly expect that if I mention Beyblade toys on Facebook, then the next time I visit Amazon, they'll be suggesting Beyblades even if I've never even searched Amazon for toys, let alone Beyblade.

KeplerBoy 2y ago
That's literally Meta's business model, they will happily explain how thats going for them in public investors' calls every few months. With deepseek and bytedance things are a lot less clear cut.
- simlevesque 2y ago
  The terms of use of Deepseek make it very clear they will sell your data.
- baq 2y ago
  what is less clear cut? you can safely assume they do at least the same things as meta.
- tokioyoyo 2y ago
  Bytedance's entire business model is based on user-targeting and showing things what they might enjoy watching, so they can push more ads to them. I wouldn't be surprised if they bought the data to train their own LLMs.
- 4ndrewl 2y ago
  How-so less clear-cut? Mysterious and Chinesey so perhaps?
  - bolognafairy 2y ago
    The ostensible business models of the companies at play. Stop looking at any opportunity to bark as Sinophobia.
    - 4ndrewl 2y ago
      Don't just restate it using different words! Precisely how's that different to the business models at play at Meta etc?
      - cwmoore 2y ago
        Supposing you were an investor in either or both, is that the question you waited three months to ask?
ryandrake 2y ago
Things can be shocking (as in: causing indignation or disgust), yet totally unsurprising. In fact, I'd argue that most newsworthy events tend to be both terrible and entirely expected, given incentives and the way the world is set up to work.
SecretDreams 2y ago
You could literally talk about beyblade toys on a whatsapp video call and you'll be getting Amazon ads for dem blades the next day.
- sitkack 2y ago
  WhatsApp is secured by Signal encryption
  - kelnos 2y ago
    WhatsApp is a closed-source client that you cannot trust to faithfully and correctly implement the protocol, or be free of backdoors that allow Meta to snoop on your conversations.
    - rs186 2y ago
      At least according to Meta's marketing, WhatsApp is E2E encrypted. And they make ads just for this -- you can literally see billboards in NYC that advertises the encrypted messaging part of the product. It would completely destroy WhatsApp and Meta's brand if there is a backdoor somewhere. Well, Meta is never a great company to begin with, but nobody would ever lie about it and destroy their brand this way. And I truly believe Meta has an incentive to do so. They had to reveal a conversation on Facebook Messenger on the topic of abortion after the police asked for it, which resulted in someone put in jail. Regardless of Meta's (or rather Zuck's) ever changing political position, they don't want to have liability over anything like this. They want to walk away and just say to the cops, look it's all encrypted, there's nothing we can share with you. Better keep conspiracy theories to yourself. It's ok to question things, but better back that up with evidence.
      - awnird 2y ago
        Mark Zuckerberg famously had a term for people like you who trusted him.
        2y ago
unclebucknasty 2y ago
>...corporations are sharing data with each other. >I wholeheartedly expect that if I mention Beyblade toys on Facebook... Isn't the lede here that this isn't just some random data sharing agreement between companies, but that these are both Chinese companies, and the recipient of the data has been banned in the U.S. precisely because of data concerns?
TheAceOfHearts 2y ago
I recently had an experience that genuinely surprised me: I was watching a Peruvian video on YouTube, and I clicked on the creator's Instagram profile link in the description. Literally a few minutes later I received a promotional email with services and investment opportunities from an official Peruvian government email. Somehow opening an Instagram profile of a Peruvian creator got me tagged as a potential investor? But the most shocking part was how quickly this all happened.
- cwmoore 2y ago
  Apparently Peru's poise presents preparedness porque es preferido para la presencia de GalApagos al oeste. [sic]

KeplerBoy 2y ago

That's literally Meta's business model, they will happily explain how thats going for them in public investors' calls every few months. With deepseek and bytedance things are a lot less clear cut.

simlevesque 2y ago
The terms of use of Deepseek make it very clear they will sell your data.
baq 2y ago
what is less clear cut? you can safely assume they do at least the same things as meta.
tokioyoyo 2y ago
Bytedance's entire business model is based on user-targeting and showing things what they might enjoy watching, so they can push more ads to them. I wouldn't be surprised if they bought the data to train their own LLMs.
4ndrewl 2y ago
How-so less clear-cut? Mysterious and Chinesey so perhaps?
- bolognafairy 2y ago
  The ostensible business models of the companies at play. Stop looking at any opportunity to bark as Sinophobia.
  - 4ndrewl 2y ago
    Don't just restate it using different words! Precisely how's that different to the business models at play at Meta etc?
    - cwmoore 2y ago
      Supposing you were an investor in either or both, is that the question you waited three months to ask?

ryandrake 2y ago

Things can be shocking (as in: causing indignation or disgust), yet totally unsurprising. In fact, I'd argue that most newsworthy events tend to be both terrible and entirely expected, given incentives and the way the world is set up to work.

SecretDreams 2y ago

You could literally talk about beyblade toys on a whatsapp video call and you'll be getting Amazon ads for dem blades the next day.

sitkack 2y ago
WhatsApp is secured by Signal encryption
- kelnos 2y ago
  WhatsApp is a closed-source client that you cannot trust to faithfully and correctly implement the protocol, or be free of backdoors that allow Meta to snoop on your conversations.
  - rs186 2y ago
    At least according to Meta's marketing, WhatsApp is E2E encrypted. And they make ads just for this -- you can literally see billboards in NYC that advertises the encrypted messaging part of the product. It would completely destroy WhatsApp and Meta's brand if there is a backdoor somewhere. Well, Meta is never a great company to begin with, but nobody would ever lie about it and destroy their brand this way. And I truly believe Meta has an incentive to do so. They had to reveal a conversation on Facebook Messenger on the topic of abortion after the police asked for it, which resulted in someone put in jail. Regardless of Meta's (or rather Zuck's) ever changing political position, they don't want to have liability over anything like this. They want to walk away and just say to the cops, look it's all encrypted, there's nothing we can share with you. Better keep conspiracy theories to yourself. It's ok to question things, but better back that up with evidence.
    - awnird 2y ago
      Mark Zuckerberg famously had a term for people like you who trusted him.
      - 2y ago

unclebucknasty 2y ago

>...corporations are sharing data with each other. >I wholeheartedly expect that if I mention Beyblade toys on Facebook... Isn't the lede here that this isn't just some random data sharing agreement between companies, but that these are both Chinese companies, and the recipient of the data has been banned in the U.S. precisely because of data concerns?

TheAceOfHearts 2y ago

I recently had an experience that genuinely surprised me: I was watching a Peruvian video on YouTube, and I clicked on the creator's Instagram profile link in the description. Literally a few minutes later I received a promotional email with services and investment opportunities from an official Peruvian government email. Somehow opening an Instagram profile of a Peruvian creator got me tagged as a potential investor? But the most shocking part was how quickly this all happened.

cwmoore 2y ago
Apparently Peru's poise presents preparedness porque es preferido para la presencia de GalApagos al oeste. [sic]