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But it is a partisan issue. All these people on fat NGO salaries, all these federal workers not pulling their weight, all the welfare abuse, all these aid payme

by Tycho 2y ago

But it is a partisan issue. All these people on fat NGO salaries, all these federal workers not pulling their weight, all the welfare abuse, all these aid payments - which party do you think is keen to keep the spigot flowing? Of course, it would be a shame if they didn’t audit the Pentagon as well, definitely massive graft happening there.

cpursley 2y ago
It’s just wild to me that an attempt to tally up whats in the community grain store and where it’s allocated out to is even considered a bipartisan issue.
- matwood 2y ago
  The problem is the person doing the tallying is doing it behind closed doors, has routinely been shown to lie to further his interests and has already been caught lying with the tallies he's released. The GOP controls both houses and the POTUS. They could absolutely do a top to bottom audit with full transparency and make cuts where needed. But that's not what this is about.
  - cpursley 2y ago
    Is that totally true, though? Maybe they have pulled wool over my eyes, but it seems like we've seen more transparency in the last few weeks than the last 40 years. Just poke around a bit: https://doge.gov/savings https://doge.gov/savings And please even try to explain how this sort of thing is even remotely in America's best interest: https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_FA865018C7886_9700_-NONE-_-NONE- https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_FA865018C7886_970... > ACTIVE SOCIAL ENGINEERING DEFENSE (ASED) LARGE SCALE SOCIAL DECEPTION (LSD) Then there's the basic accounting 101 things like improper categorization, 150 year old people getting social security, etc. Why should the US government be held to a lower standard than a publicly traded company?
    - matwood 2y ago
      Do you have a third party audit that this is true or have those datasets all been removed? Musk has shown himself unknowledgeable at best and purposely lying at worse so many DOGE findings are hard to take at face value. https://apnews.com/article/usaid-funding-trump-musk-misinformation-c544a5fa1fe788da10ec714f462883d1 https://apnews.com/article/usaid-funding-trump-musk-misinfor... https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2025/02/10/elon-musk-pushes-false-claim-ex-usaid-chief-earned-23-million-the-biggest-doge-hoaxes-spread-on-x/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2025/02/10/elon-mus...
      - cpursley 2y ago
        Did you even read those articles? Full of BS excuses and justifications. None of them pass the sniff test by any honest person with above room temperature IQ. People are just angry at Musk for turning their safe space into a free speech platform then switching sides. And that he’s now taking away their sides unlimited slush fund.
        matwood 2y ago
        You clearly don't want to read anything outside of Twitter/Musk, but another error, fixed/hidden in order to keep showing incorrect data that looks better for DOGE. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/18/upshot/doge-contracts-musk-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/18/upshot/doge-contracts-mus... The DOGE website initially included a screenshot from the federal contracting database showing that the contract’s value was $8 million, even as the DOGE site listed $8 billion in savings. On Tuesday night, around the time this article was published, DOGE removed the screenshot that showed the mismatch, but continued to claim $8 billion in savings. It added a link to the original, outdated version of the contract worth $8 billion. So much honesty and transparency out of this group.
        cpursley 2y ago
        Man people can’t stand that Elon turned Twitter into a free speech platform. Anyways, I'm more of a long-form article, book, podcast and travel guy when it comes to informing my opinion.
d0gsg0w00f 2y ago
Allegedly, the Pentagon sees the writing on the wall and is trying to get a head start on DOGE https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/doge-department-of-defense-budget-cuts-prepares-0f7073fa?st=aGe7Sg https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/doge-departme...
bloopernova 2y ago
I don't know any voters who want fraud to continue, but most do accept that fraud is just a part of any system designed and implemented by humans. I personally would like to see the end of the "find gravy train, keep that gravy flowing at all costs" methodology of capitalism, because it's primary focus is money instead of the service provided. Whether it's pentagon contractors, business subsidies, or the heinous medicare and medical insurance fraud. But I don't want to cut SNAP even if someone buys a goddamn coke once in a while. The current method seems to be brain surgery with a monkey wrench. Slash and burn with little thought given to the effects upon humans, especially those who don't have other options. Kagi gave me a figure of between 9.2 to 15.2 percent of welfare being fraudulent. Yes that's too high, yes I'd like to fix that, but I want that change to be considered, studied, and planned with caution.
- Tycho 2y ago
  Tbh I think “move fast and break things” is what’s needed. The government bureaucracy has ossified over many years, and any attempt to change it gets bogged down in “committees” and “inquiries”. The only thing that will work is shock and awe, and if something important does get broken, it’s east enough to fix when its criticality becomes evident.

by Tycho 2y ago

cpursley 2y ago

It’s just wild to me that an attempt to tally up whats in the community grain store and where it’s allocated out to is even considered a bipartisan issue.

matwood 2y ago
The problem is the person doing the tallying is doing it behind closed doors, has routinely been shown to lie to further his interests and has already been caught lying with the tallies he's released. The GOP controls both houses and the POTUS. They could absolutely do a top to bottom audit with full transparency and make cuts where needed. But that's not what this is about.
- cpursley 2y ago
  Is that totally true, though? Maybe they have pulled wool over my eyes, but it seems like we've seen more transparency in the last few weeks than the last 40 years. Just poke around a bit: https://doge.gov/savings https://doge.gov/savings And please even try to explain how this sort of thing is even remotely in America's best interest: https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_FA865018C7886_9700_-NONE-_-NONE- https://www.usaspending.gov/award/CONT_AWD_FA865018C7886_970... > ACTIVE SOCIAL ENGINEERING DEFENSE (ASED) LARGE SCALE SOCIAL DECEPTION (LSD) Then there's the basic accounting 101 things like improper categorization, 150 year old people getting social security, etc. Why should the US government be held to a lower standard than a publicly traded company?
  - matwood 2y ago
    Do you have a third party audit that this is true or have those datasets all been removed? Musk has shown himself unknowledgeable at best and purposely lying at worse so many DOGE findings are hard to take at face value. https://apnews.com/article/usaid-funding-trump-musk-misinformation-c544a5fa1fe788da10ec714f462883d1 https://apnews.com/article/usaid-funding-trump-musk-misinfor... https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2025/02/10/elon-musk-pushes-false-claim-ex-usaid-chief-earned-23-million-the-biggest-doge-hoaxes-spread-on-x/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/conormurray/2025/02/10/elon-mus...
    - cpursley 2y ago
      Did you even read those articles? Full of BS excuses and justifications. None of them pass the sniff test by any honest person with above room temperature IQ. People are just angry at Musk for turning their safe space into a free speech platform then switching sides. And that he’s now taking away their sides unlimited slush fund.
      - matwood 2y ago
        You clearly don't want to read anything outside of Twitter/Musk, but another error, fixed/hidden in order to keep showing incorrect data that looks better for DOGE. https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/18/upshot/doge-contracts-musk-trump.html https://www.nytimes.com/2025/02/18/upshot/doge-contracts-mus... The DOGE website initially included a screenshot from the federal contracting database showing that the contract’s value was $8 million, even as the DOGE site listed $8 billion in savings. On Tuesday night, around the time this article was published, DOGE removed the screenshot that showed the mismatch, but continued to claim $8 billion in savings. It added a link to the original, outdated version of the contract worth $8 billion. So much honesty and transparency out of this group.
        cpursley 2y ago
        Man people can’t stand that Elon turned Twitter into a free speech platform. Anyways, I'm more of a long-form article, book, podcast and travel guy when it comes to informing my opinion.

d0gsg0w00f 2y ago

Allegedly, the Pentagon sees the writing on the wall and is trying to get a head start on DOGE https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/doge-department-of-defense-budget-cuts-prepares-0f7073fa?st=aGe7Sg https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/doge-departme...

bloopernova 2y ago

I don't know any voters who want fraud to continue, but most do accept that fraud is just a part of any system designed and implemented by humans. I personally would like to see the end of the "find gravy train, keep that gravy flowing at all costs" methodology of capitalism, because it's primary focus is money instead of the service provided. Whether it's pentagon contractors, business subsidies, or the heinous medicare and medical insurance fraud. But I don't want to cut SNAP even if someone buys a goddamn coke once in a while. The current method seems to be brain surgery with a monkey wrench. Slash and burn with little thought given to the effects upon humans, especially those who don't have other options. Kagi gave me a figure of between 9.2 to 15.2 percent of welfare being fraudulent. Yes that's too high, yes I'd like to fix that, but I want that change to be considered, studied, and planned with caution.

Tycho 2y ago
Tbh I think “move fast and break things” is what’s needed. The government bureaucracy has ossified over many years, and any attempt to change it gets bogged down in “committees” and “inquiries”. The only thing that will work is shock and awe, and if something important does get broken, it’s east enough to fix when its criticality becomes evident.