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> and the cost to charge was $0.68/kWh. What in the world. In December, southern Norway had similar electricity prices for two hours, and caused enough of an u

> and the cost to charge was $0.68/kWh. What in the world. In December, southern Norway had similar electricity prices for two hours, and caused enough of an uproar that the government is still trying to live it down.

Aurornis 2y ago
Charging prices are not the same as electricity prices. They’re pricing it at what the market will bear for charging. They’re recouping costs of building and running the charging station. Property and operational costs in CA are very high.
UltraSane 2y ago
That isn't the price of electricity, it was the cost of using the charging point.
lambda 2y ago
DC fast chargers tend to cost much more than level 2 chargers. They have expensive equipment, more expensive electricity (intermittent high load is more expensive than more continuous lower levels, even for the same total power), and there tends to be a limited number of them so you want to encourage people to do level 2 charging when possible, and only DC fast charging on road trips when they really need it. So prices are much higher than for normal AC charging. Most of the charging you do should be AC charging at your home or work.
magicalhippo 2y ago
I found it interesting because $0.68/kWh is roughly what EV charging has cost at charging stations here in Norway for the past few years. It fluctuates a bit though not much, and varies from network to network, but currently[1] the average is around $0.5/kWh if you exclude Tesla. Now, at home I pay about $0.1-0.2/kWh these days and less during summer. [1]: https://elbil.no/dette-koster-hurtiglading/ https://elbil.no/dette-koster-hurtiglading/
- fragmede 2y ago
  For those of us not in your area in Norway, where does your electricity come from in the summer that it's that cheap?
  - Ekaros 2y ago
    Massive amounts of hydro. I am not sure about exact rates, but my guess is that purely for electricity it is somewhere in 2-4 eurocent range.
  - magicalhippo 2y ago
    About 90% of our energy production is hydro, and in addition our weather is such that few places are above 25C/80F during summer so it's not common to have or use AC. Hence not a lot of energy usage during summer compared with winter, as most heat their homes using electricity.

Aurornis 2y ago

Charging prices are not the same as electricity prices. They’re pricing it at what the market will bear for charging. They’re recouping costs of building and running the charging station. Property and operational costs in CA are very high.

UltraSane 2y ago

That isn't the price of electricity, it was the cost of using the charging point.

lambda 2y ago

DC fast chargers tend to cost much more than level 2 chargers. They have expensive equipment, more expensive electricity (intermittent high load is more expensive than more continuous lower levels, even for the same total power), and there tends to be a limited number of them so you want to encourage people to do level 2 charging when possible, and only DC fast charging on road trips when they really need it. So prices are much higher than for normal AC charging. Most of the charging you do should be AC charging at your home or work.

magicalhippo 2y ago

I found it interesting because $0.68/kWh is roughly what EV charging has cost at charging stations here in Norway for the past few years. It fluctuates a bit though not much, and varies from network to network, but currently[1] the average is around $0.5/kWh if you exclude Tesla. Now, at home I pay about $0.1-0.2/kWh these days and less during summer. [1]: https://elbil.no/dette-koster-hurtiglading/ https://elbil.no/dette-koster-hurtiglading/

fragmede 2y ago
For those of us not in your area in Norway, where does your electricity come from in the summer that it's that cheap?
- Ekaros 2y ago
  Massive amounts of hydro. I am not sure about exact rates, but my guess is that purely for electricity it is somewhere in 2-4 eurocent range.
- magicalhippo 2y ago
  About 90% of our energy production is hydro, and in addition our weather is such that few places are above 25C/80F during summer so it's not common to have or use AC. Hence not a lot of energy usage during summer compared with winter, as most heat their homes using electricity.