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Most of my (new) colleagues are always very amazed and baffled when i tell them that investigations, intakes and inventory before starting projects take me huge
by b3lvedere 2y ago
Most of my (new) colleagues are always very amazed and baffled when i tell them that investigations, intakes and inventory before starting projects take me huge amounts of time.
Most of my colleagues finish their intakes very quickly, finish projects early and most (not all) have a huge amount of time of aftersales and aftercare. They usually call this aftercare 'out of scope'.
My finished projects usually do not have any aftercare. They work, because i invested a lot of time in the beginning. I call this 'the actual scope'.
I've been fixing some of my colleagues projects recently. Some of these projects should have ended 18 months ago... Most take be about two weeks to fix.
They eventually will learn :)
- isaacremuant 2y agoWill they if you just fix their projects long after they've taken credit for the success and moved on? They passed the buck to you.
- j1elo 2y agoYeah, that reminds me of the concept of externalized costs... they are not "paying" for the whole price (in terms of time of work) that the feature costs. An external force is paying it for them, so life is beautiful and they can afford to keep doing half the work.
- b3lvedere 2y agoOur company is not that big and has a very limited finite amount of people who have the right resources to fix these sort of things.
- b3lvedere 2y agoMost of the things i had to fix came by order of the CEO directly. If the new colleagues will not learn within a due time frame, i am guessing their carreer might take a bump. Personally i don't really mind at the moment. I get to do various work and it's been less stressful.
- guappa 2y agoI'm sure they are soon going to be your managers.
- chasd00 2y agoWorse, soon he will be their manager and then those failures and missed golives will be his fault.
- tempoponet 2y agoOnly if the Peter Principal is in effect. As a manager they would be uniquely positioned to scope and assess the prep work. With a bit of mentoring they might "get it" sooner, rather than "eventually".
- guappa 2y agoIt's not that they don't get it, it's that they don't care.
- b3lvedere 2y agoNot for this paycheck :) I've been a manager in earlier times and got shit from all sides. Nearly drove me to a burnout. Paycheck was still horrible. So i quit that.
- b3lvedere 2y agoThat would make a fun conversation with the CEO :)
- guappa 2y agoI have a coworker that placed a "return true" at the beginning of a failing test, and when I reverted the change spent ONE ENTIRE MONTH arguing that I had broken the test and it was now my responsibility to fix it. Several emails per day, because according to him what he did is completely legit. He was at my same level then. Now he's 2 levels higher.
- MonaroVXR 2y agoWhat kind of work?
- b3lvedere 2y agoVarious IT stuff like bringing companies to the cloud, Azure Virtual Environments, RDS collections, migrating small applications, etc.
- commandlinefan 2y ago> They eventually will learn I've been waiting 30 years. They haven't learned yet.
- b3lvedere 2y agoI'm sorry for that. 30 years is way too much to expect. I usually get shit done, but demand the time for it. I usually get it, because shit gets done without much fuss.
- incorrecthorse 2y agoDo they have an incentive to learn? If the reward process in the company also consider it "out of scope" (meaning the remaining work is scheduled as such), there is nothing to really learn.
- b3lvedere 2y agoSome of the new guys have great incentives to learn, but some indeed don't.