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I don't know if latter news are just entertainment or history-making events. Whatever is happening in Washington, it doesn't sound like the president's opponen

by jokoon 2y ago

I don't know if latter news are just entertainment or history-making events. Whatever is happening in Washington, it doesn't sound like the president's opponents are going to try to stop him, for now. It sounds like this will keep going. This news cycle is going beyond anxiogenic like it was around 2017-18. I never know if I am witnessing something absurd or if it's the beginning of something serious. I generally prefer to think that my anxiety is blowing things out of proportion. As any adult would say, I keep saying "it's going to be fine". I am french, not american, so generally I am just more worried about NATO and Ukraine.

the_snooze 2y ago
>it doesn't sound like the president's opponents are going to try to stop him What opponents? The GOP that's been completely remade in the President's image? Or the Democrats that don't control any levers of power in Washington?
Trasmatta 2y ago
> Whatever is happening in Washington, it doesn't sound like the president's opponents are going to try to stop him, for now. It sounds like this will keep going. They are trying, but severely limited. The president has control over all 3 branches of government (including both halls of Congress).
- anon2549 2y ago
  Isn't it funny, then, that when the Democrats had all three branches of government, the Republicans remained a reasonably effective opposition. The Democrats are failing at that, and it's wrong to say that's because they're actually powerless. They aren't. What they are is ineffective.
  - manfre 2y ago
    When the group in power is following the laws and procedures, it is usually quite easy to obstruct. When the group in power is not following the laws and procedures, you have the current situation.
    - sebazzz 2y ago
      So we have to come up with an implementation of democracy where bad actors have a harder time evading democracy. So that's not a presidential democracy.
  - ihumanable 2y ago
    They aren't ineffective so much as the thing they are attempting to do is not what they say. The democratic party is controlled opposition. Democrats, like Republicans, take in a ton of money from the donor class. America is a capitalist nation, in capitalism, those with the capital get to reap the profits. The people with the capital therefore end up with more money, and they can use that money to donate to the political class. This causes the political class to become an instrument of the capital class, and the parties end up being marketing. The goals of the democratic and republican parties both end up to serve capital. Republicans have an easier time since they have incorporated serving capital into their political platform. Democrats end up seeming ineffective because their messaging is that they are somehow taking most of their money from the capital class but are actually on the side of the labor class. The capital class has the money, but the labor class has the numbers, both parties need the numbers because until we completely do away with democracy, people, not dollars, get to vote. As the democratic party has become more and more captured by the capital class and their donations, they can no longer seek votes through advancing policies that would support the labor class by restraining the capital class (this would make their donors unhappy). The democratic party pivoted to trying to find a way to carve out least-bad pro-capital class reforms (things like public-private partnerships, school vouchers, etc), least-disruptive pro-labor class reforms (entrenching capital class insurance companies as some kind of improvement to healthcare, slow rolling minimum wage so they could have symbolic victories for keeping up with inflation, and then not even doing that), and more and more towards cultural issues that do not threaten the capital class (LGBTQ+ rights, DEI, etc). Republicans have adopted populism and wedge issues politics to capture the labor class vote. The reason the democrats are terrible opposition isn't because we've somehow elected the dumbest people imaginable, it's that they are pointing at a different goal. Their goal is to remain in the political class, to keep the donations of the donor class (which just happens to be the capital class) flowing, and if that class says "let the massive tax cuts for us play out, we don't care about the fallout" that's what they will do.
  - ModernMech 2y ago
    Democrats were restrained by the law, and so Republicans were empowered to slow them down and stop them. What’s happening now with DOGE is completely lawless. Democrats can’t use process to stop them because they’re going around the process.
thunky 2y ago
> it doesn't sound like the president's opponents are going to try to stop him I don't think they have an incentive to. Better for them to sit back and watch trump break things so they can be the ones to (campaign to) fix it. They just need to boo from the sidelines and hope for the worst.
- dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago
  Your comment shows an ignorance of how American government works. The president has vast powers when it comes to the administration of the state. Democrats could impeach him but don't have the votes. They can use the courts and that's already being done. Instead of claiming bad faith maybe you could tell us what you'd have the Democrats do.
  - thunky 2y ago
    > maybe you could tell us what you'd have the Democrats do Instead of limp statements by Schumer and the like taking about "bromances" and complaining about how Trump and Musk are executing their actions, maybe they could focus on what is being done and the actual substance and consequences of it. It's politically safer for them to stop at the how. But their constituents care about substance, not dramatics. People are generally numb to this stuff, because we constantly hear each side attack the other relentlessly, like immature grade schoolers. It's noise that we've been programmed to tuned out. I could be wrong and maybe the Democrats have pure intentions this one time, but if you don't believe that politicians root for the other team to fail, despite the negative consequences to the people they represent, then I'm afraid you may be the ignorant one.
soupfordummies 2y ago
>> This news cycle is going beyond anxiogenic like it was around 2017-18. I never know if I am witnessing something absurd or if it's the beginning of something serious. It's weird though because it feels like with all the really "anxiogenic" stuff, I'm learning about it from HN, reddit, etc instead of actual legacy media. For instance, they're doing the largest layoff in HISTORY right now with federal employees and the Eric Adams thing is the top story I'm seeing, etc. It almost feels like ""MSM"" is glossing over the details to go more high-level "policy" news to make it seem like politics as "slightly" usual. It's kinda wild that the most in-depth reporting on the DOGE takeover is coming from outlets like Wired and 404 when it seems like this SHOULD be an anxiogenic, huge, all-caps headline-style news cycle when it really doesn't read that way on any mainstream news outlet.

by jokoon 2y ago

the_snooze 2y ago

>it doesn't sound like the president's opponents are going to try to stop him What opponents? The GOP that's been completely remade in the President's image? Or the Democrats that don't control any levers of power in Washington?

Trasmatta 2y ago

> Whatever is happening in Washington, it doesn't sound like the president's opponents are going to try to stop him, for now. It sounds like this will keep going. They are trying, but severely limited. The president has control over all 3 branches of government (including both halls of Congress).

anon2549 2y ago
Isn't it funny, then, that when the Democrats had all three branches of government, the Republicans remained a reasonably effective opposition. The Democrats are failing at that, and it's wrong to say that's because they're actually powerless. They aren't. What they are is ineffective.
- manfre 2y ago
  When the group in power is following the laws and procedures, it is usually quite easy to obstruct. When the group in power is not following the laws and procedures, you have the current situation.
  - sebazzz 2y ago
    So we have to come up with an implementation of democracy where bad actors have a harder time evading democracy. So that's not a presidential democracy.
- ihumanable 2y ago
  They aren't ineffective so much as the thing they are attempting to do is not what they say. The democratic party is controlled opposition. Democrats, like Republicans, take in a ton of money from the donor class. America is a capitalist nation, in capitalism, those with the capital get to reap the profits. The people with the capital therefore end up with more money, and they can use that money to donate to the political class. This causes the political class to become an instrument of the capital class, and the parties end up being marketing. The goals of the democratic and republican parties both end up to serve capital. Republicans have an easier time since they have incorporated serving capital into their political platform. Democrats end up seeming ineffective because their messaging is that they are somehow taking most of their money from the capital class but are actually on the side of the labor class. The capital class has the money, but the labor class has the numbers, both parties need the numbers because until we completely do away with democracy, people, not dollars, get to vote. As the democratic party has become more and more captured by the capital class and their donations, they can no longer seek votes through advancing policies that would support the labor class by restraining the capital class (this would make their donors unhappy). The democratic party pivoted to trying to find a way to carve out least-bad pro-capital class reforms (things like public-private partnerships, school vouchers, etc), least-disruptive pro-labor class reforms (entrenching capital class insurance companies as some kind of improvement to healthcare, slow rolling minimum wage so they could have symbolic victories for keeping up with inflation, and then not even doing that), and more and more towards cultural issues that do not threaten the capital class (LGBTQ+ rights, DEI, etc). Republicans have adopted populism and wedge issues politics to capture the labor class vote. The reason the democrats are terrible opposition isn't because we've somehow elected the dumbest people imaginable, it's that they are pointing at a different goal. Their goal is to remain in the political class, to keep the donations of the donor class (which just happens to be the capital class) flowing, and if that class says "let the massive tax cuts for us play out, we don't care about the fallout" that's what they will do.
- ModernMech 2y ago
  Democrats were restrained by the law, and so Republicans were empowered to slow them down and stop them. What’s happening now with DOGE is completely lawless. Democrats can’t use process to stop them because they’re going around the process.

thunky 2y ago

> it doesn't sound like the president's opponents are going to try to stop him I don't think they have an incentive to. Better for them to sit back and watch trump break things so they can be the ones to (campaign to) fix it. They just need to boo from the sidelines and hope for the worst.

dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago
Your comment shows an ignorance of how American government works. The president has vast powers when it comes to the administration of the state. Democrats could impeach him but don't have the votes. They can use the courts and that's already being done. Instead of claiming bad faith maybe you could tell us what you'd have the Democrats do.
- thunky 2y ago
  > maybe you could tell us what you'd have the Democrats do Instead of limp statements by Schumer and the like taking about "bromances" and complaining about how Trump and Musk are executing their actions, maybe they could focus on what is being done and the actual substance and consequences of it. It's politically safer for them to stop at the how. But their constituents care about substance, not dramatics. People are generally numb to this stuff, because we constantly hear each side attack the other relentlessly, like immature grade schoolers. It's noise that we've been programmed to tuned out. I could be wrong and maybe the Democrats have pure intentions this one time, but if you don't believe that politicians root for the other team to fail, despite the negative consequences to the people they represent, then I'm afraid you may be the ignorant one.

soupfordummies 2y ago

>> This news cycle is going beyond anxiogenic like it was around 2017-18. I never know if I am witnessing something absurd or if it's the beginning of something serious. It's weird though because it feels like with all the really "anxiogenic" stuff, I'm learning about it from HN, reddit, etc instead of actual legacy media. For instance, they're doing the largest layoff in HISTORY right now with federal employees and the Eric Adams thing is the top story I'm seeing, etc. It almost feels like ""MSM"" is glossing over the details to go more high-level "policy" news to make it seem like politics as "slightly" usual. It's kinda wild that the most in-depth reporting on the DOGE takeover is coming from outlets like Wired and 404 when it seems like this SHOULD be an anxiogenic, huge, all-caps headline-style news cycle when it really doesn't read that way on any mainstream news outlet.