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PASS on Firing of Probationary Employees at FAA
- ronbenton 2y agoFor context, this is the union for Air Traffic Safety Specialists for the FAA. It appears several hundred of them were let go late last week. Update: Airway Transportation Systems Specialists, got the acronym wrong. They are technicians who maintain systems across the air traffic control system and airports.
- BubbleRings 2y agoWCPGW?
- pstuart 2y ago[flagged]
- metalliqaz 2y agoSafety is not a concern. Nothing is a concern. The administration knows that the system can coast on inertia for a few years before total implosion. Then it is someone else's problem. Likely by then malicious loyalists will be installed and the billionaire class will have solidified oligarchy so there will be no possibility of consequence anyway.
- SR2Z 2y agoAt this rate, the fundie conservative types will be kings of the ashes because every bit of "developed country" activity will become impossible here.
- inevaexisted 2y agosurely if emails/orders can't be certified as coming from an authoritative source (non .gov) they can be ignored?
- ronbenton 2y ago>Several hundred employees have been impacted with messages being sent from an ‘exec order’ Microsoft email address, not an official .gov email address Yes, that is indeed totally strange
- Aurornis 2y agoThe unofficial emails are an absolute disgrace and should be a huge concern to anyone with even a modicum of security sense. Training the entire government that it’s totally normal to receive official orders from external domains is nightmare fuel for anyone who has had to think about organizational security.
- ronbenton 2y agoRemember: official emails will only come from .gov domains. Oh, and also now @doge.lol.
- yongjik 2y agoRemember the days when Trump supporters chanted "Lock her up!" because Hillary Clinton used a private email server? Good times.
- ExoticPearTree 2y agoShe used the private email server for classified communications. Firing decisions are not classified. A little bit different.
- yongjik 2y agoRight, a little bit different. If only she instead hired randos without security clearance and gave them full access to systems containing classified info. Now that would have been no problem.
- anigbrowl 2y agoShe was advised to do so by the outgoing (Republican) SoS because departmental systems were so creaky that vital emails often fell through the cracks. There's zero evidence that anything was ever compromised by her running a server in her own very secure home. Haven't you ever wondered why the Trump administration, once in office, never made any move to prosecute her?
- fragmede 2y ago> Several hundred employees have been impacted with messages being sent from an ‘exec order’ Microsoft email address, not an official .gov email address. Shit, coulda just used a @gmail.com address at that point.
- ronbenton 2y ago@doge.lol
- greenavocado 2y agoOr a cocaine.ninja or national.shitposting.agency address
- Aurornis 2y ago> This decision did not consider the staffing needs of the FAA, which is already challenged by understaffing. This is an understatement. Staffing issues have been a problem for a while. Six day workweeks for some. Baffling to make cuts to an already understaffed agency. This is all being executed without thought. The agencies can coast for a while and political pressure can be applied to keep people quiet about problems (Speak up, get fired). Four years from now it becomes someone else’s problem.
- ronbenton 2y agoI will caveat that these are not air traffic controllers, but rather the technicians that maintain air traffic and airport equipment. Still, that's not much consolation to me. The system is stretched too far and I don't want to be wondering if there are still enough technicians working to have checked the landing lights for my next flight.
- Aurornis 2y ago> but rather the technicians that maintain air traffic and airport equipment. Understaffing maintenance crews for critical aviation systems? What could go wrong?
- palmotea 2y agoIt might be better for everyone if they all just quit or go on strike, instead of trying to hold things together. Let the aviation system shut down, and see how popular that is.
- jordanpg 2y ago> These are not nameless, faceless bureaucrats. They are our family, friends and neighbors. They contribute to our communities. Every. Single. One. of these firings is a story involving human beings, with families, with ongoing concerns like mortgages, medical problems, deaths in the family, school problems, and all the other things that happen during life. Things many of the DOGE staffers are too young to have experienced yet. Whatever else you might think about what is going on, the Administration could have done this humanely, carefully, methodically -- but they chose to do it carelessly and cruelly instead. In my opinion, this alone is unforgiveable.
- fastball 2y agoDidn't they offer some sort of buyout severance deal?
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- russdill 2y agoThe deal says that if they have no legal standing to make any challenges once signing. If they decide to not pay them, they have signed away any legal remedy
- ipython 2y agoProbationary employees are fired afaik without any severance, as they are not yet covered by worker protections. Even those who do accept the “buyout” may be unpleasantly surprised in March with the looming government shutdown and corresponding lapse in appropriations. https://apnews.com/article/trump-firing-probation-workforce-buyouts-layoffs-doge-159a6de411622c2eb651016b1e99da37 https://apnews.com/article/trump-firing-probation-workforce-...
- AngryData 2y agoOnly if you believe a non-official email that involves signing away all legal rights to any recourse you might take against them both before and after leaving, which includes your severance pay which nobody has authorized or found a source for.
- dkjaudyeqooe 2y agoJust hack and slash, what could possibly go wrong? But I get the feeling that chaos is the point.
- cdumler 2y agoIt's supposed to go wrong. Government isn't worth anything. Once they "prove" had bad it is, they will bring in corporations that will do it, and they will be able to do it for a profit without having to deal with all those pesky rules that keep us safe.
- I_dream_of_Gen1 2y ago[dead]
- neilv 2y agoOngoing condolences to all the public servants who are being wronged in this ongoing destruction of government. For what it's worth, people care and sympathize; we just don't know anything that we can do to help.
- readthenotes1 2y agoAll these fired employees were hired in the last year. How much of our government is new like that?
- ronbenton 2y agoThese don't just include new hires but also people who switched to their job recently. It is not uncommon in the government to switch jobs.
- jarsin 2y agoThe avg monthly gains of government workers in 2024 was +38,000.
- seanmcdirmid 2y agoDoes that include losses or not? Turnover in the FAA is probably really bad.
- jarsin 2y agoIt's from the bls and they factor in quits etc in other industries so I would think they do for government too. But I don't know for sure.
- I_dream_of_Gen1 2y ago[dead]
- hnbear 2y ago>> Several hundred employees have been impacted with messages being sent from an ‘exec order’ Microsoft email address, not an official .gov email address. Can I register doge_exec_official_genuine_super_real_orders@hotmail.com and start firing government staff too?
- insane_dreamer 2y ago> Several hundred employees have been impacted with messages being sent from an ‘exec order’ Microsoft email address, not an official .gov email address. If I received an email from such an address I would ignore it as a potential phishing attempt. I would think that would be standard practice at government agencies.
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- throw0101d 2y agoDon't worry, SpaceX will fix things: * https://www.theverge.com/news/614078/faa-air-traffic-control-spacex-elon-musk-layoff-staff-shortage https://www.theverge.com/news/614078/faa-air-traffic-control... * https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43082635 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43082635
- insane_dreamer 2y agoNo conflicts of interest there!