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If Trump (or whoever) goes on social media to promote Bitcoin, it'll probably pump 5%-10%. And if it falls, it'll fall roughly back down to where it was. If he

If Trump (or whoever) goes on social media to promote Bitcoin, it'll probably pump 5%-10%. And if it falls, it'll fall roughly back down to where it was. If he goes on to promote some unknown shitcoin, said coin could easily pump 1000%, and fall harder.

BobbyJo 2y ago
I don't get the point you're trying to make?
- santoshalper 2y ago
  That legitimate stores of value are typically not that simple to manipulate.
  - hhh1111 2y ago
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  - UncleEntity 2y ago
    Like real estate?
  - BobbyJo 2y ago
    You are equating legitimacy with liquidity, and the that isn't necessarily true. Liquidity is necessary, and a good marker, but not sufficient.
    - cwalv 2y ago
      > You are equating legitimacy with liquidity, and the that isn't necessarily true. How so? Liquidity is a measurement of how easy it is to trade, and if it's easy to trade there are many people/entities that believe it's "legitimate" currency, or they wouldn't trade for it
      - BobbyJo 2y ago
        Parent said "store of value" not "currency". Liquidity is probably sufficient for a currency (depending on the features of the liquidity), but it is not sufficient for a store of value.
        cwalv 2y ago
        Fair enough; store of value additionally requires restricted supply so that the value isn't debased. But in the context of this thread, that just strengthens the argument that 'Bitcoin is different'.
        BobbyJo 2y ago
        It also requires a value proposition that doesn't depend on the current zeitgeist, among other things. Society changes, and stores of value need to exist outside that change, lest they be left behind with the norms and dogmas. This is where I personally think bitcoin fails.
        cwalv 2y ago
        > Society changes, and stores of value need to exist outside that change I completely agree. I don't think this is different from saying the store of value needs to stay liquid tho. Bitcoin is currently very illiquid compared to many things, but there's no reason to think it's liquidity will decrease, and based on trends and first principles of what makes something a good 'money', significant reason to believe liquidity will continue to increase
UncleEntity 2y ago
I don't even have a problem with some unwitting celebrity promoting this kind of stuff. They aren't subject matter experts and I imagine they have grifters targeting them all the time. What I do take issue with is this keeps happening because there's a lot of money to be made off transaction fees so nobody looks too hard into how fraudulent any of these memecoins are before allowing them on the trading platforms. Admittedly, I don't know how the trading system works so maybe the platforms taking a cut of the profits from the blatantly fraudulent activity are victims too? Crying all the way to the bank I suppose...
dashundchen 2y ago
He did a rugpull in a shitcoin right before his inauguration and likely pulled megaprofit out of some bag holders. https://www.reuters.com/markets/currencies/trumps-meme-coin-made-nearly-100-million-trading-fees-small-traders-lost-money-2025-02-03/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/currencies/trumps-meme-coin-... Any other administration this would have been a huge scandal but when we're in an avalanche of corruption I guess it can be missed.
- marssaxman 2y ago
  I think the point was that it gave his supporters a quasi-legal way to donate money while skirting campaign finance regulation, making the trumpcoin itself not so much a unit of currency as a receipt - a proof of loyalty.

BobbyJo 2y ago

I don't get the point you're trying to make?

santoshalper 2y ago
That legitimate stores of value are typically not that simple to manipulate.
- hhh1111 2y ago
  [dead]
- UncleEntity 2y ago
  Like real estate?
- BobbyJo 2y ago
  You are equating legitimacy with liquidity, and the that isn't necessarily true. Liquidity is necessary, and a good marker, but not sufficient.
  - cwalv 2y ago
    > You are equating legitimacy with liquidity, and the that isn't necessarily true. How so? Liquidity is a measurement of how easy it is to trade, and if it's easy to trade there are many people/entities that believe it's "legitimate" currency, or they wouldn't trade for it
    - BobbyJo 2y ago
      Parent said "store of value" not "currency". Liquidity is probably sufficient for a currency (depending on the features of the liquidity), but it is not sufficient for a store of value.
      - cwalv 2y ago
        Fair enough; store of value additionally requires restricted supply so that the value isn't debased. But in the context of this thread, that just strengthens the argument that 'Bitcoin is different'.
        BobbyJo 2y ago
        It also requires a value proposition that doesn't depend on the current zeitgeist, among other things. Society changes, and stores of value need to exist outside that change, lest they be left behind with the norms and dogmas. This is where I personally think bitcoin fails.
        cwalv 2y ago
        > Society changes, and stores of value need to exist outside that change I completely agree. I don't think this is different from saying the store of value needs to stay liquid tho. Bitcoin is currently very illiquid compared to many things, but there's no reason to think it's liquidity will decrease, and based on trends and first principles of what makes something a good 'money', significant reason to believe liquidity will continue to increase

UncleEntity 2y ago

I don't even have a problem with some unwitting celebrity promoting this kind of stuff. They aren't subject matter experts and I imagine they have grifters targeting them all the time. What I do take issue with is this keeps happening because there's a lot of money to be made off transaction fees so nobody looks too hard into how fraudulent any of these memecoins are before allowing them on the trading platforms. Admittedly, I don't know how the trading system works so maybe the platforms taking a cut of the profits from the blatantly fraudulent activity are victims too? Crying all the way to the bank I suppose...

dashundchen 2y ago

He did a rugpull in a shitcoin right before his inauguration and likely pulled megaprofit out of some bag holders. https://www.reuters.com/markets/currencies/trumps-meme-coin-made-nearly-100-million-trading-fees-small-traders-lost-money-2025-02-03/ https://www.reuters.com/markets/currencies/trumps-meme-coin-... Any other administration this would have been a huge scandal but when we're in an avalanche of corruption I guess it can be missed.

marssaxman 2y ago
I think the point was that it gave his supporters a quasi-legal way to donate money while skirting campaign finance regulation, making the trumpcoin itself not so much a unit of currency as a receipt - a proof of loyalty.