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I don't understand this story. Why would you have an "expectation that the service will be professional", when you first heard about the company from news repor

I don't understand this story. Why would you have an "expectation that the service will be professional", when you first heard about the company from news reports their service was used in multiple terrorist attacks? When was there ever a social contract that every company with an app can be trusted to provide high-quality service?

charles_f 2y ago
> their service was used in multiple terrorist attacks For as much as Turo sucks, the fact that vehicles used in terrorist attacks were rented through them is somewhat irrelevant to the trust you should put into the service ; not much more than where they ate their breakfast before, slept that night, or what brand of clothing they were wearing. It seems that said terrorists didn't have a criminal background, and they could very well have rented them through Avis, Enterprise and whatnot. They could have purchased Teslas, that would not have made Teslas a more terrorist-risk prone car than a Ford.
- RegnisGnaw 2y ago
  Remember that both the WTC Bombing and Oklahoma City bombing used Ryder rental vans. Should we distrust Ryder van rentals?
- SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
  Right, it’s entirely irrelevant! So why was the source author surprised when he used this car rental company he had no reason to trust and they turned out to be untrustworthy?
AnthonyMouse 2y ago
Not only that, it sounds like the sort of thing that could happen with rental cars in general. The car is being rented out to randos, one of the randos does something sufficiently heinous with the car to cause the registration to be immediately suspended and then returns it without saying anything, the next renter gets a car with a suspended registration before the rental place gets the notice telling them about it.
- bloomingkales 2y ago
  Some people are not so horrifying that they would start a business with liabilities of that type. Any of us can hook up an uncensored LLM right now to a lot of apps, but it's very dangerous to release. There are greedy people that don't care and are doing it. If you are going to do these things, you must go into it with both eyes open. Some people are not ethically qualified to run businesses, but they will still have tons of success in it because they stick to the raw standard of $$$ accumulated. The broader standard for success (well rounded citizen) in society is more robust. Morality and ethics are part of it. Many parents don't talk to their kids, or their parents never talked to them, and the cycle continued. Many of these people can reach very very old ages as half a human.
  - AnthonyMouse 2y ago
    > Some people are not ethically qualified to run businesses, but they will still have tons of success in it because they stick to the raw standard of $$$ accumulated. Let's take the article's account as true and consider the "businessperson"/host he rented the car from. This isn't a matter of "there should be laws" here. The things they allegedly did are already illegal. Overstating the mileage on the vehicle is fraud etc. A person who does that is a criminal. Likewise the drivers who assault women. The mistake is in looking to Turo or Uber to adjudicate this. They're not the police. Go to the actual police. What nonsense is this that we expect a tech company to replace the courts? That's the source of the problem. Let the app just be an app and if criminals use the app they face an actual judge.
    - bloomingkales 2y ago
      Alright. Not a hill to die on. I do like that there is activism here. Truly, its civic activism that's done freely. If this is the last time I hear about bullshit like this, then wonderful. Otherwise, this all joins the very large pile of shit the tech bros have been unleashing. It's seductive to want to align with the bravado of cut-throat businessmen. I was sucker for it too. It's such a cool archetype when you are impressionable, but then you grow up and realize humanity is about more than that.

charles_f 2y ago

> their service was used in multiple terrorist attacks For as much as Turo sucks, the fact that vehicles used in terrorist attacks were rented through them is somewhat irrelevant to the trust you should put into the service ; not much more than where they ate their breakfast before, slept that night, or what brand of clothing they were wearing. It seems that said terrorists didn't have a criminal background, and they could very well have rented them through Avis, Enterprise and whatnot. They could have purchased Teslas, that would not have made Teslas a more terrorist-risk prone car than a Ford.

RegnisGnaw 2y ago
Remember that both the WTC Bombing and Oklahoma City bombing used Ryder rental vans. Should we distrust Ryder van rentals?
SpicyLemonZest 2y ago
Right, it’s entirely irrelevant! So why was the source author surprised when he used this car rental company he had no reason to trust and they turned out to be untrustworthy?

AnthonyMouse 2y ago

Not only that, it sounds like the sort of thing that could happen with rental cars in general. The car is being rented out to randos, one of the randos does something sufficiently heinous with the car to cause the registration to be immediately suspended and then returns it without saying anything, the next renter gets a car with a suspended registration before the rental place gets the notice telling them about it.

bloomingkales 2y ago
Some people are not so horrifying that they would start a business with liabilities of that type. Any of us can hook up an uncensored LLM right now to a lot of apps, but it's very dangerous to release. There are greedy people that don't care and are doing it. If you are going to do these things, you must go into it with both eyes open. Some people are not ethically qualified to run businesses, but they will still have tons of success in it because they stick to the raw standard of $$$ accumulated. The broader standard for success (well rounded citizen) in society is more robust. Morality and ethics are part of it. Many parents don't talk to their kids, or their parents never talked to them, and the cycle continued. Many of these people can reach very very old ages as half a human.
- AnthonyMouse 2y ago
  > Some people are not ethically qualified to run businesses, but they will still have tons of success in it because they stick to the raw standard of $$$ accumulated. Let's take the article's account as true and consider the "businessperson"/host he rented the car from. This isn't a matter of "there should be laws" here. The things they allegedly did are already illegal. Overstating the mileage on the vehicle is fraud etc. A person who does that is a criminal. Likewise the drivers who assault women. The mistake is in looking to Turo or Uber to adjudicate this. They're not the police. Go to the actual police. What nonsense is this that we expect a tech company to replace the courts? That's the source of the problem. Let the app just be an app and if criminals use the app they face an actual judge.
  - bloomingkales 2y ago
    Alright. Not a hill to die on. I do like that there is activism here. Truly, its civic activism that's done freely. If this is the last time I hear about bullshit like this, then wonderful. Otherwise, this all joins the very large pile of shit the tech bros have been unleashing. It's seductive to want to align with the bravado of cut-throat businessmen. I was sucker for it too. It's such a cool archetype when you are impressionable, but then you grow up and realize humanity is about more than that.