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> They’re doing this for a reason: m-o-n-e-y. Uh, yeah. It's something you need in order to run a company. A company that employs people and gives them, guess

by notJim 14y ago

> They’re doing this for a reason: m-o-n-e-y. Uh, yeah. It's something you need in order to run a company. A company that employs people and gives them, guess what? m-o-n-e-y. And how does it do that, and how does it continue doing that? By being profitable, which it does by having (among other things) exclusive content and advertisers who want to be seen alongside that content. But no, NBC should just put all their stuff online, where it's less clear what kind of profit they would make, because fuck them, this is the internet, and money is bad. We internet people can work at companies that don't have a business model or make a profit, so why can't everyone else?

Dylan16807 14y ago
The point is that they are pursuing short-term profit and sacrificing customer satisfaction. That's a terrible way to run a company.
- Negitivefrags 14y ago
  In order to sacrifice customer satisfaction, there is a requirement that the person be your customer. Not giving something to someone for free just because they demand that they should have it is not sacrificing customer satisfaction.
  - axefrog 14y ago
    Yes but if your product is the viewer and your decisions cause the number of viewers to decrease over time, you're damaging your product, and that will reduce the value of that product to your customers.
    - pbreit 14y ago
      Well, the opening ceremonies had the highest US viewership ever (including against US-based Olympics). Are you sure your contention is accurate? In fact, broadcasting the Olympics is a massive _LONG_ term bet since NBC loses tons of money on the games themselves.
- tedchs 14y ago
  If you are a cable subscriber, you are both NBC's customer (that gives them subscription fees via your cable company) and NBC's product (eyeballs sold to advertisers). As NBC's customer, you are already receiving the Olympics. If you are not a cable subscriber (i.e. over-the-air broadcast receiver), you are NBC's product only, and not their customer.
thebigshane 14y ago
I don't think anyone (or many at least) are arguing that NBC shouldn't be able to make any money off of the olympics. But, really, how shitty is it that the only ways to watch the olympics is to pay out of your ass or do things that aren't totally legal. And we aren't talking about some latest blockbuster, or NBC's sole source of income, this is watching our nation competing in the most popular international games. The BBC offers the games online because they are being subsidized by their gov't right? And why would the gov't subsidize that? Because most people that is the right thing to do, and they're willing to pay the taxes to support it. Anyway, the core of your argument seems to be that it is okay for a company to do what it can to make money but even ignoring legal/illegal activities, companies are supposed to provide value and people are supposed to give them money for that exchange of value. This is a company milking money because they can. This isn't price gauging; this isn't stores in flooded areas selling doubly marked-up bottles of water and flashlights. In those cases there is a real cost and shortage of those goods. In this case the olympics could be put on the internet for pocket change (relative to gov't or NBC spending). And what about this "exclusive content" defense? The line is fuzzy for sure but surely it exists somewhere separating what kind of content companies should be allowed to have exclusive rights over. Moon landings? Presidential addresses? Presidential debates? Emergency alerts? Emergency news? Weather? Money isn't bad. But abusive monopolization is. (the critics at 4chan must be on to something when this blind loyalty to raw capitalism and wannabe entrepreneurship gets 2nd in this thread)
- woobar 14y ago
  But, really, how shitty is it that the only ways to watch the olympics is to pay out of your ass or do things that aren't totally legal. This is not true. They broadcast about 20 hours/day of olympic programming for free OTA. Most of it live, they delay high ratings events. I know it so 20th century, but they provide you free and legal option to watch Olympics.

by notJim 14y ago

Dylan16807 14y ago

The point is that they are pursuing short-term profit and sacrificing customer satisfaction. That's a terrible way to run a company.

Negitivefrags 14y ago
In order to sacrifice customer satisfaction, there is a requirement that the person be your customer. Not giving something to someone for free just because they demand that they should have it is not sacrificing customer satisfaction.
- axefrog 14y ago
  Yes but if your product is the viewer and your decisions cause the number of viewers to decrease over time, you're damaging your product, and that will reduce the value of that product to your customers.
  - pbreit 14y ago
    Well, the opening ceremonies had the highest US viewership ever (including against US-based Olympics). Are you sure your contention is accurate? In fact, broadcasting the Olympics is a massive _LONG_ term bet since NBC loses tons of money on the games themselves.
tedchs 14y ago
If you are a cable subscriber, you are both NBC's customer (that gives them subscription fees via your cable company) and NBC's product (eyeballs sold to advertisers). As NBC's customer, you are already receiving the Olympics. If you are not a cable subscriber (i.e. over-the-air broadcast receiver), you are NBC's product only, and not their customer.

thebigshane 14y ago

I don't think anyone (or many at least) are arguing that NBC shouldn't be able to make any money off of the olympics. But, really, how shitty is it that the only ways to watch the olympics is to pay out of your ass or do things that aren't totally legal. And we aren't talking about some latest blockbuster, or NBC's sole source of income, this is watching our nation competing in the most popular international games. The BBC offers the games online because they are being subsidized by their gov't right? And why would the gov't subsidize that? Because most people that is the right thing to do, and they're willing to pay the taxes to support it. Anyway, the core of your argument seems to be that it is okay for a company to do what it can to make money but even ignoring legal/illegal activities, companies are supposed to provide value and people are supposed to give them money for that exchange of value. This is a company milking money because they can. This isn't price gauging; this isn't stores in flooded areas selling doubly marked-up bottles of water and flashlights. In those cases there is a real cost and shortage of those goods. In this case the olympics could be put on the internet for pocket change (relative to gov't or NBC spending). And what about this "exclusive content" defense? The line is fuzzy for sure but surely it exists somewhere separating what kind of content companies should be allowed to have exclusive rights over. Moon landings? Presidential addresses? Presidential debates? Emergency alerts? Emergency news? Weather? Money isn't bad. But abusive monopolization is. (the critics at 4chan must be on to something when this blind loyalty to raw capitalism and wannabe entrepreneurship gets 2nd in this thread)

woobar 14y ago
But, really, how shitty is it that the only ways to watch the olympics is to pay out of your ass or do things that aren't totally legal. This is not true. They broadcast about 20 hours/day of olympic programming for free OTA. Most of it live, they delay high ratings events. I know it so 20th century, but they provide you free and legal option to watch Olympics.