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Why do those people still work there? They should be let go individually to find something more compatible. Mass layoffs are not the way to make that decision.

janderson215 2y ago
Acquiring company is concerned about terminations coming back as lawsuits, so unless there is something really egregious is puts so much work on valuable people to follow the required PIP process (I’m talking a months long process) that it changes the equation again and makes it worth it for those duds to suck the time out away from our valuable people who happen to be managing them. The result is that good people end up loafing because of lowered morale.
- blitzar 2y ago
  If you are in the US you can just fire them for no reason at any time, making employees fight to the death to not be in the bottom 10% is fun for management to squeeze a bit of extra performance out of people but not for anyone else. If you are in the rest of the world, batch firing "the bottom 10%" for the stated reason of performance (they normally lie and say it is for a different reason) still requires the exact same amount of effort as doing it when there are actual performance issues. Properly managed teams deal with actual poor performers, and your bottom 10% employee might be a top 1% employee any other company.
  - janderson215 2y ago
    Unfortunately acquiring company wont let us just fire people, including those who live in an at-will state. I’m leaving the company in 2 weeks so it won’t be my problem anymore as an employee, but I’m still trying to wrap my head around why people object to layoffs/firings in general. Zuck fired a large number of “underperformers” (obviously if they’re based on performance reviews there is plenty of room for error) and critics said that firing people for that reason destroys their dignity. I see it as giving them an opportunity to actually earn their dignity. I know that the people who are duds in our company have a negative reputation, so is allowing them to keep their job and bad reps really keeping their dignity? To me, that results in a middling (at best) society. It’s a dangerous trait to keep in a culture. Letting people exist in a way that doesn’t allow them to flourish is a very cruel thing to do to them and to the future of humanity.

janderson215 2y ago

Acquiring company is concerned about terminations coming back as lawsuits, so unless there is something really egregious is puts so much work on valuable people to follow the required PIP process (I’m talking a months long process) that it changes the equation again and makes it worth it for those duds to suck the time out away from our valuable people who happen to be managing them. The result is that good people end up loafing because of lowered morale.

blitzar 2y ago
If you are in the US you can just fire them for no reason at any time, making employees fight to the death to not be in the bottom 10% is fun for management to squeeze a bit of extra performance out of people but not for anyone else. If you are in the rest of the world, batch firing "the bottom 10%" for the stated reason of performance (they normally lie and say it is for a different reason) still requires the exact same amount of effort as doing it when there are actual performance issues. Properly managed teams deal with actual poor performers, and your bottom 10% employee might be a top 1% employee any other company.
- janderson215 2y ago
  Unfortunately acquiring company wont let us just fire people, including those who live in an at-will state. I’m leaving the company in 2 weeks so it won’t be my problem anymore as an employee, but I’m still trying to wrap my head around why people object to layoffs/firings in general. Zuck fired a large number of “underperformers” (obviously if they’re based on performance reviews there is plenty of room for error) and critics said that firing people for that reason destroys their dignity. I see it as giving them an opportunity to actually earn their dignity. I know that the people who are duds in our company have a negative reputation, so is allowing them to keep their job and bad reps really keeping their dignity? To me, that results in a middling (at best) society. It’s a dangerous trait to keep in a culture. Letting people exist in a way that doesn’t allow them to flourish is a very cruel thing to do to them and to the future of humanity.