6 ms·

Wikipedia seems to agree with you: Koloumpo (Greek: Κολούμπο) But the word "Kolumbo" is used 11 times in the article about "Kolumpo" https://en.wikipedia.org

Wikipedia seems to agree with you: Koloumpo (Greek: Κολούμπο) But the word "Kolumbo" is used 11 times in the article about "Kolumpo" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koloumpo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koloumpo

thaumasiotes 2y ago
> But the word "Kolumbo" is used 11 times in the article about "Kolumpo" This is just you not knowing that Κολούμπο is "Kolumbo". There's no discrepancy to explain; they are the same thing and "Kolumpo" would be an error. It's still true that Columbo isn't a Greek name. But there's nothing unusual about its Greek spelling; there's no other way to spell "b" in modern Greek than "μπ".
- fuzzy_biscuit 2y ago
  Out of curiosity, is that cluster used in any contexts that are not meant to approximate a 'b' sound?
  - ljlolel 2y ago
    I haven’t seen it.
  - Bankroll2398 2y ago
    There is a prefix -em (-εμ) which is used to formulate words containing the essence of "within", e.g. "εμπεριέχει" (emperiechei/"including"), or "εμπύρετος (empyretos/"feverish". The sound in such cases veers in the direction of "emp" rather than "eb", due to the prefix. It's still not a distinct m+p, but significantly less voiced than e.g. "μπύρα" (beer)
    - thaumasiotes 2y ago
      excellent comment, but for future reference: a prefix would normally be written "em-", with the hyphen noting the place where it attaches to its root word.
- shawabawa3 2y ago
  > there's no other way to spell "b" in modern Greek than "μπ". Did you mean "mb"? Because surely "β" can be used for b, like in our friend κυβερνήτης (kubernetes)
  - anticensor 2y ago
    no, μβ would give you a /w/ not a /b/, because "β" is normally a /v/.
  - thaumasiotes 2y ago
    You've confused modern Greek with ancient Greek. Note also that the normal transcription of ancient Greek κυβερνήτης would be cybernetes (see: "cybernetics"), not kubernetes.

thaumasiotes 2y ago

> But the word "Kolumbo" is used 11 times in the article about "Kolumpo" This is just you not knowing that Κολούμπο is "Kolumbo". There's no discrepancy to explain; they are the same thing and "Kolumpo" would be an error. It's still true that Columbo isn't a Greek name. But there's nothing unusual about its Greek spelling; there's no other way to spell "b" in modern Greek than "μπ".

fuzzy_biscuit 2y ago
Out of curiosity, is that cluster used in any contexts that are not meant to approximate a 'b' sound?
- ljlolel 2y ago
  I haven’t seen it.
- Bankroll2398 2y ago
  There is a prefix -em (-εμ) which is used to formulate words containing the essence of "within", e.g. "εμπεριέχει" (emperiechei/"including"), or "εμπύρετος (empyretos/"feverish". The sound in such cases veers in the direction of "emp" rather than "eb", due to the prefix. It's still not a distinct m+p, but significantly less voiced than e.g. "μπύρα" (beer)
  - thaumasiotes 2y ago
    excellent comment, but for future reference: a prefix would normally be written "em-", with the hyphen noting the place where it attaches to its root word.
shawabawa3 2y ago
> there's no other way to spell "b" in modern Greek than "μπ". Did you mean "mb"? Because surely "β" can be used for b, like in our friend κυβερνήτης (kubernetes)
- anticensor 2y ago
  no, μβ would give you a /w/ not a /b/, because "β" is normally a /v/.
- thaumasiotes 2y ago
  You've confused modern Greek with ancient Greek. Note also that the normal transcription of ancient Greek κυβερνήτης would be cybernetes (see: "cybernetics"), not kubernetes.