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Note date: >> 12 January 2023 This may or may not be connected to the recent strong tremors in Santorini. What I want to know is who named that thing "Kolumb

Note date: >> 12 January 2023 This may or may not be connected to the recent strong tremors in Santorini. What I want to know is who named that thing "Kolumbo". That's not a Greek name. We got so much prime material for Greek-mythology inspired names of volcanoes. e.g. "Charybdis" would fit right in.

JPLeRouzic 2y ago
Wikipedia seems to agree with you: Koloumpo (Greek: Κολούμπο) But the word "Kolumbo" is used 11 times in the article about "Kolumpo" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koloumpo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koloumpo
- thaumasiotes 2y ago
  > But the word "Kolumbo" is used 11 times in the article about "Kolumpo" This is just you not knowing that Κολούμπο is "Kolumbo". There's no discrepancy to explain; they are the same thing and "Kolumpo" would be an error. It's still true that Columbo isn't a Greek name. But there's nothing unusual about its Greek spelling; there's no other way to spell "b" in modern Greek than "μπ".
  - fuzzy_biscuit 2y ago
    Out of curiosity, is that cluster used in any contexts that are not meant to approximate a 'b' sound?
    - ljlolel 2y ago
      I haven’t seen it.
    - Bankroll2398 2y ago
      There is a prefix -em (-εμ) which is used to formulate words containing the essence of "within", e.g. "εμπεριέχει" (emperiechei/"including"), or "εμπύρετος (empyretos/"feverish". The sound in such cases veers in the direction of "emp" rather than "eb", due to the prefix. It's still not a distinct m+p, but significantly less voiced than e.g. "μπύρα" (beer)
      - thaumasiotes 2y ago
        excellent comment, but for future reference: a prefix would normally be written "em-", with the hyphen noting the place where it attaches to its root word.
  - shawabawa3 2y ago
    > there's no other way to spell "b" in modern Greek than "μπ". Did you mean "mb"? Because surely "β" can be used for b, like in our friend κυβερνήτης (kubernetes)
    - anticensor 2y ago
      no, μβ would give you a /w/ not a /b/, because "β" is normally a /v/.
    - thaumasiotes 2y ago
      You've confused modern Greek with ancient Greek. Note also that the normal transcription of ancient Greek κυβερνήτης would be cybernetes (see: "cybernetics"), not kubernetes.
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louthy 2y ago
> This may or may not be connected to the recent strong tremors in Santorini It isn’t related. Explanation from geology professor Sean Willsey [1] — my go to source for anything geology related! [1] https://youtu.be/4jREQ3EdEAY?feature=shared https://youtu.be/4jREQ3EdEAY?feature=shared
- louthy 2y ago
  > Sean Shawn, my mistake!
- eigenform 2y ago
  Shawn mentions lack of observed ground deformation, but maybe he means near Kolumbo? There's a note[^1] on the EMSC site that has some figures for deformation at stations on Santorini, and it seems like it has been deflating while all this seismic expression is wandering northeastward? (I am not a geophysicist) [^1]: https://www.emsc-csem.org/Files/event/1765158/20250213b-santorini-seismo-volcanic-crisis-gnss.pdf https://www.emsc-csem.org/Files/event/1765158/20250213b-sant...
  - louthy 2y ago
    > lack of observed ground deformation I think he replies to a comment where he says “lack of significant ground deformation”. He also mention the natural up/down movement of normal faults being a cause of ground deformation. I’m sure if there’s new information that he’ll do a follow up. I’ve followed his channel for a while now — I’m not a geologist or geophysicist either — but I find his knowledge and careful and thoughtful analysis to be exceptional.
    - eigenform 2y ago
      Mhm, agreed :)
      - louthy 2y ago
        Shawn has a follow up: https://youtu.be/uIweHUjkUrc?feature=shared https://youtu.be/uIweHUjkUrc?feature=shared
Jun8 2y ago
It looks like it was the Venetians who coined the name, from colomba “dove”: https://www.sunanemos-santorini.gr/history https://www.sunanemos-santorini.gr/history. This source it was people in Crete who named it. Ottomans conquered most of Crete in 1645 but Candia held till 1669 so it was probably the people in Candia who named it thus.

JPLeRouzic 2y ago

Wikipedia seems to agree with you: Koloumpo (Greek: Κολούμπο) But the word "Kolumbo" is used 11 times in the article about "Kolumpo" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koloumpo https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koloumpo

thaumasiotes 2y ago
> But the word "Kolumbo" is used 11 times in the article about "Kolumpo" This is just you not knowing that Κολούμπο is "Kolumbo". There's no discrepancy to explain; they are the same thing and "Kolumpo" would be an error. It's still true that Columbo isn't a Greek name. But there's nothing unusual about its Greek spelling; there's no other way to spell "b" in modern Greek than "μπ".
- fuzzy_biscuit 2y ago
  Out of curiosity, is that cluster used in any contexts that are not meant to approximate a 'b' sound?
  - ljlolel 2y ago
    I haven’t seen it.
  - Bankroll2398 2y ago
    There is a prefix -em (-εμ) which is used to formulate words containing the essence of "within", e.g. "εμπεριέχει" (emperiechei/"including"), or "εμπύρετος (empyretos/"feverish". The sound in such cases veers in the direction of "emp" rather than "eb", due to the prefix. It's still not a distinct m+p, but significantly less voiced than e.g. "μπύρα" (beer)
    - thaumasiotes 2y ago
      excellent comment, but for future reference: a prefix would normally be written "em-", with the hyphen noting the place where it attaches to its root word.
- shawabawa3 2y ago
  > there's no other way to spell "b" in modern Greek than "μπ". Did you mean "mb"? Because surely "β" can be used for b, like in our friend κυβερνήτης (kubernetes)
  - anticensor 2y ago
    no, μβ would give you a /w/ not a /b/, because "β" is normally a /v/.
  - thaumasiotes 2y ago
    You've confused modern Greek with ancient Greek. Note also that the normal transcription of ancient Greek κυβερνήτης would be cybernetes (see: "cybernetics"), not kubernetes.

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louthy 2y ago

> This may or may not be connected to the recent strong tremors in Santorini It isn’t related. Explanation from geology professor Sean Willsey [1] — my go to source for anything geology related! [1] https://youtu.be/4jREQ3EdEAY?feature=shared https://youtu.be/4jREQ3EdEAY?feature=shared

louthy 2y ago
> Sean Shawn, my mistake!
eigenform 2y ago
Shawn mentions lack of observed ground deformation, but maybe he means near Kolumbo? There's a note[^1] on the EMSC site that has some figures for deformation at stations on Santorini, and it seems like it has been deflating while all this seismic expression is wandering northeastward? (I am not a geophysicist) [^1]: https://www.emsc-csem.org/Files/event/1765158/20250213b-santorini-seismo-volcanic-crisis-gnss.pdf https://www.emsc-csem.org/Files/event/1765158/20250213b-sant...
- louthy 2y ago
  > lack of observed ground deformation I think he replies to a comment where he says “lack of significant ground deformation”. He also mention the natural up/down movement of normal faults being a cause of ground deformation. I’m sure if there’s new information that he’ll do a follow up. I’ve followed his channel for a while now — I’m not a geologist or geophysicist either — but I find his knowledge and careful and thoughtful analysis to be exceptional.
  - eigenform 2y ago
    Mhm, agreed :)
    - louthy 2y ago
      Shawn has a follow up: https://youtu.be/uIweHUjkUrc?feature=shared https://youtu.be/uIweHUjkUrc?feature=shared

Jun8 2y ago

It looks like it was the Venetians who coined the name, from colomba “dove”: https://www.sunanemos-santorini.gr/history https://www.sunanemos-santorini.gr/history. This source it was people in Crete who named it. Ottomans conquered most of Crete in 1645 but Candia held till 1669 so it was probably the people in Candia who named it thus.