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> Young people in the US need to be out protesting for their future The changes you are outlining aren't going to happen from protesting. What we need is a gen

> Young people in the US need to be out protesting for their future The changes you are outlining aren't going to happen from protesting. What we need is a general strike, but there is no appetite to do that in the numbers necessary to actually make any change.

BLKNSLVR 2y ago
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- diggan 2y ago
  > Where "strike" means some kind of domestic terrorism level interference with infrastructure. "Strike" usually means "refuse work", not some sort of violence that you seem to be advocating. It's possible to get real policy change through peaceful demonstrations, strikes and similar actions, as history will kindly remind you of.
  - BLKNSLVR 2y ago
    My point was that a strike won't be enough. Climate action has failed to gain traction for, what 30+ years? I wasn't intending to encourage personal violence, but saying that violence against infrastructure (not people) is the only way to force the level of attention necessary. I mean, the US has recently pivoted in the opposite direction. You think a strike would change the minds of those who made that decision?
    - Trasmatta 2y ago
      A general strike absolutely would. But we're nowhere near the public support for something like that to make it happen.
  - lblume 2y ago
    Do you believe this could realistically be enough pressure to sway politicians driven by corporate financial incentives? Step-by-step reform and gradual carbon reductions just aren't feasible like they have been 20 years ago. Without strong economic disruptions right now the unimaginable destruction in the future seems very likely to be disregarded in favor of short-term thinking, as illustrated perfectly not only by the current administration but also its weaker-than-ever opposition (e.g. Harris strongly advocating for fracking in 2024).
llamaimperative 2y ago
Or getting young people to actually vote, which is a much, much lower bar to clear with a dramatically clearer path to results.
- Trasmatta 2y ago
  > much, much lower bar to clear Apparently not, because people have been trying to get young people to vote for decades, and nobody has managed it. But also, gen z has been trending right. So I don't know if this would actually work.
  - lumost 2y ago
    Gen Z is in rough shape financially, much worse than millennials were. It’s a recipe for radicalization one way or the other.
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    I must’ve missed all the successful general strikes? Trump got young men to vote in droves.
    - Trasmatta 2y ago
      Take a look at history, general strikes are very effective. But my point was that we're very far from actually having one because there isn't enough public support. People just don't care. If they did, they would have voted against Trump.
      - llamaimperative 2y ago
        > People just don't care. If they did, they would have voted against Trump. I don't think this follows at all. There are tons of variables at play in an election that make this connection way, way too noisy.
- actualwitch 2y ago
  I don't think many people in US understand that the "voting" that will happen next is the same "voting" that happens in every dictatorship ever. "Get out and vote! Just this time. You won't have to do it anymore! Four more years, you know what? It'll be fixed"

BLKNSLVR 2y ago

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diggan 2y ago
> Where "strike" means some kind of domestic terrorism level interference with infrastructure. "Strike" usually means "refuse work", not some sort of violence that you seem to be advocating. It's possible to get real policy change through peaceful demonstrations, strikes and similar actions, as history will kindly remind you of.
- BLKNSLVR 2y ago
  My point was that a strike won't be enough. Climate action has failed to gain traction for, what 30+ years? I wasn't intending to encourage personal violence, but saying that violence against infrastructure (not people) is the only way to force the level of attention necessary. I mean, the US has recently pivoted in the opposite direction. You think a strike would change the minds of those who made that decision?
  - Trasmatta 2y ago
    A general strike absolutely would. But we're nowhere near the public support for something like that to make it happen.
- lblume 2y ago
  Do you believe this could realistically be enough pressure to sway politicians driven by corporate financial incentives? Step-by-step reform and gradual carbon reductions just aren't feasible like they have been 20 years ago. Without strong economic disruptions right now the unimaginable destruction in the future seems very likely to be disregarded in favor of short-term thinking, as illustrated perfectly not only by the current administration but also its weaker-than-ever opposition (e.g. Harris strongly advocating for fracking in 2024).

llamaimperative 2y ago

Or getting young people to actually vote, which is a much, much lower bar to clear with a dramatically clearer path to results.

Trasmatta 2y ago
> much, much lower bar to clear Apparently not, because people have been trying to get young people to vote for decades, and nobody has managed it. But also, gen z has been trending right. So I don't know if this would actually work.
- lumost 2y ago
  Gen Z is in rough shape financially, much worse than millennials were. It’s a recipe for radicalization one way or the other.
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  I must’ve missed all the successful general strikes? Trump got young men to vote in droves.
  - Trasmatta 2y ago
    Take a look at history, general strikes are very effective. But my point was that we're very far from actually having one because there isn't enough public support. People just don't care. If they did, they would have voted against Trump.
    - llamaimperative 2y ago
      > People just don't care. If they did, they would have voted against Trump. I don't think this follows at all. There are tons of variables at play in an election that make this connection way, way too noisy.
actualwitch 2y ago
I don't think many people in US understand that the "voting" that will happen next is the same "voting" that happens in every dictatorship ever. "Get out and vote! Just this time. You won't have to do it anymore! Four more years, you know what? It'll be fixed"