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Men claiming to be from DOGE show up at San Francisco City Hall, demand records
- duxup 2y ago>The employees refused their requests, and called San Francisco sheriff’s deputies The LARP scene has gotten out of hand.
- defrost 2y agoAs documented by the Flattened Earth in The Glorious LARP.
- reaperducer 2y agoThe LARP scene has gotten out of hand. When I lived in Seattle there were people who would listen to the police scanner and then rush to the scenes of traffic accidents and fires and such dressed up as "superheroes" and LARP saving the day. I suspect they got in the way more than they helped.
- seanp2k2 2y agoHam radio, particularly some of the ARES / SKYWARN / RACES / MARS folks (tons of overlap within those), go real overboard thinking they’re trying to help in emergencies or actively put themselves into dangerous situations and end up just being more people who need actual rescue.
- johnnyanmac 2y agoI know "laws are useless without enforcement" but I'll ask anyway: How legal (or what's the process) for a federal entity to demand state records? Some of Trunps's big plans rely on "State's rights" as a backbone for their rationale, so I'm curious on how far those rights really go in face of federal.
- duxup 2y agoFor a random agent of the federal government to show up who has no connection or agreement with the local city entity and demand records? They would have NO legal standing to make demands. GOP rhetoric is almost always opposite of what you might expect "states rights" is just a phrase to the GOP, they mean "states can do what they like as long it is what we want" otherwise they do not care about states rights. Having said that as far as the example goes, I suspect DOGE is busy with the federal government. DOJ though, they have options as far investigating things go, and other departments have deals with state and municipal agencies that give them leverage to make some requests for information, but they don't provide the "anything goes" kind of access that DOGE is reported to have at the federal level. Every agency that would have some leverage, it would be dependent on specific circumstances, agreements, and courts (assuming this administration cares what they say) have historically protected the state's rights to do their thing.
- Terr_ 2y agoTangentially, "fighting for states' rights" is a common falsehood told by apologists for the Confederacy in the US civil war. Not only did the slave states try to force other states to tolerate slavery within their own borders, but the biggest changes in the Confederacy's constitution was how it permanently removed rights from its member-states.
- dathinab 2y agoin general (and as far as I know in the US): you need a court order
- blackeyeblitzar 2y agoDepends. Various things require cooperation with the federal government. For example there are various laws that require specific types of records or data to be shared. Various types of federal funding can come with those requirements. Or there can be criminal investigations that result in records being requested. But someone randomly showing up sound illegitimate, and as the article notes, these weren’t people associated with the administration it appears.
- razzio 2y agoBorn in the Netherlands with stories by my parents on the Nazi growth and eventually occupation, I sincerely hope that history won't repeat itself. I wish you all the best but fear the worst.
- scarab92 2y agoGetting tired of the hysterics. If you think Nazi is a remotely valid way to describe what’s going on then you’re probably spending too much time online surrounded by catastropists, and have lost touch with reality.
- 9283409232 2y agoTrump is stacking the federal government with loyalist and preparing to outright ignore court orders(if they are not doing so already) and become a monarchy while billionaires chop up the government for fun and profit. If you don't see this then you have lost touch with reality. Democracy is on life support and Elon's fans are putting fingers in their ears acting like this isn't happening.
- scarab92 2y agoYou don’t realise how ridiculous you sound to normal people because you spend your time in an echo chamber full of left-wing conspiracy theories. The government will get a bit smaller and life will go on.
- 9283409232 2y agoI'm curious. What needs to happen for you realize what is going on? What is the action that if taken you'll see things for what they are?
- steve_adams_86 2y agoWhat I want to understand is how much smaller will it be, and why are they targeting what they are at the moment? The administrations they've cut back only make up fractions of a percent of the overall spending, and make virtually no difference for the average person. One of them actually put more money back into the pockets of taxpayers than it cost them, and seems to have made no sense to discard. Why not target major cost centres?
- throwup238 2y agoImpersonating federal officials feels very on-brand.
- damon_dam 2y agoHalloween came early this year. Pretty ghoulish too.
- userbinator 2y agoI'd expect DOGE to do such questioning online, instead of visiting in-person.
- tetrisgm 2y agoBeyond the impersonation, what sounds really odd is this was a group of people who planned this act together. On their own. I’d say that goes well beyond a prank or something similar.
- sporkydistance 2y agoProbably Proud Boys, Patriot Prayer, or some other new fascist militia.
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- duxup 2y agoIt's funny how that works in different places. I live in a sleepy suburb, cops have nothing to do. I wrote an email about how folks coming out of the walmart at an intersection often in en masse continue to make a left turn well after the light changed red. I got a response the next day and the cops spent every other day for two weeks at the intersection.
- rahimnathwani 2y agoMy local police station published statistics about how many traffic violation tickets are issued: For example: https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/sites/default/files/2025-01/SFPD_TrafficViolationReport_December2024_20250116.pdf https://www.sanfranciscopolice.org/sites/default/files/2025-... For the police station responsible for that crosswalk, the number of citations for Pedestrian Right of Way has gone down over the last 6 months. In December, the whole station issued just one citation for pedestrian right of way. Jul 2024 32 Aug 2024 18 Sep 2024 26 Oct 2024 14 Nov 2024 12 Dec 2024 1
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- trog 2y agoThis is wishful thinking of the highest order
- tky 2y agoNot sure if sarcastic but it’s a bit premature to assume that’s how it’ll play out. The first part — indiscriminate firings - is underway. Whether anyone left will be capable to do the work that will still be there is yet to be seen. Just today, there’s this whoopsiedoodle where it seems firings were a bit too indiscriminate and later rescinded. Just like twitter, only at the DoE. Most cool. https://www.npr.org/2025/02/14/nx-s1-5298190/nuclear-agency-trump-firings-nnsa https://www.npr.org/2025/02/14/nx-s1-5298190/nuclear-agency-...
- rKarpinski 2y ago> the employees refused their requests and called sheriff's deputies. The men had left City Hall before deputies arrived. > "We do not believe the individuals requesting access to City files were representatives from DOGE," the sheriff's office said Friday. Why no law enforcement at San Francisco's city hall?
- zxexz 2y agoTo be fair, it doesn't explicitly say the deputies weren't already at City Hall, just that they weren't at the scene of the incident they were called for.
- duxup 2y agoCity hall near me always has some cops stationed there, but they can be called away to do other things, they're not "full time" stationed there.
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- anonymousiam 2y agoNot sure about San Francisco's City Hall, but Los Angeles City Hall seems to be devoid of law enforcement: https://x.com/itariqshah1/status/1887997213688701371 https://x.com/itariqshah1/status/1887997213688701371
- beretguy 2y agoThey hate cops in California.
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- stogot 2y agoCurious why they call sheriff deputies and not city police? Is that not the police’s jurisdiction? I’d expect city police to be present but it sounds like the sheriffs were not immediately there
- birdiesanders 2y agoSheriffs are elected, and wholly part of the state govt. Cops can be more easily coerced by fed enforcement.
- someothherguyy 2y agoI cannot find it, but someone joked on here the other day about people attempting this.
- esseph 2y agoThe flagging on these posts is getting out of control. If you don't agree with the information provided - counter it with what you believe to be more accurate information. Otherwise? Stop trying to censor shit.
- olig15 2y agoI didn't flag, but what does this have to do with tech/start-up culture? If you want to read/discuss American politics, surely theres better places to do that.
- fnordian 2y agoIt’s the current western society’s end game. Idolized members of the start-up culture reached the finals.
- beretguy 2y agoUS government is being run like a shady tech company with no rules and massive layoffs by a guy who a made a few tech companies and is a CEO or whatever of a few of them right now.