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Think I laughed out loud when they showed the table top NBA in the launch video because the exact same concept was in the launch videos for at least oculus and

Think I laughed out loud when they showed the table top NBA in the launch video because the exact same concept was in the launch videos for at least oculus and magic leap, maybe more headsets but it’s always been a fake concept that feels a bit like a solution in search of a problem. Fair play to them finally making the eternal vaporware demo real. Fascinating seeing how an Apple launch plays out when the 3rd party dev support just isn’t there and nor are the users.

crooked-v 2y ago
It feels to me like it's one step closer to having an arbitrarily positioned "courtside seat" view.
- whywhywhywhy 2y ago
  I get court side view if it’s 3d footage it would be immersive. It’s the tiny players running around the coffee table that’s technically impressive but conceptually baffling why you’d want that.
  - crooked-v 2y ago
    I think the missing context from the post (as it calls out) is that the intended experience is that you have the diorama view at the same time as the actual footage, so it's showing you where everyone is offscreen.
    - bitmasher9 2y ago
      Yeah, it seems awesome to be able to track the entire game at once instead of just focusing on what’s in camera frame. The combination of both could be very engaging.
    - asadotzler 2y ago
      When you're not "inside the action" of the live TV broadcast, you're not going to turn to a low-poly video game map because the live broadcast will give you HD wide shots better than this tabletop garbage. No one wants to swivel their head back and forth with 1.5 pounds of dork box cantilevered off their face for an experience less immersive than the live broadcast and offering zero value add.
- harmmonica 2y ago
  Anyone able to explain the technical reason this doesn't exist yet? Maybe technically feasible but NBA thinks it would cannibalize tickets sales? If it did (does?) exist it would be nice if it could be "all" courtside views (pick the one you want or switch between them as you're watching). And when I say all it doesn't have to be literally every seat, but there could be one at each baseline and then maybe one each side of the scorer's table and then 2 opposite those so 6 in total.
  - asadotzler 2y ago
    Yes, because no one is going to spend the money to add another 30-60 cameras to the NBA broadcast platform to cater to fewer than 100K Vision Pro users. Even Quest's 10M actives doesn't come close to warranting that kind of financial outlay.
    - harmmonica 2y ago
      Ok, it's totally technically feasible today, but the return is not there given the lack of viewership. If you can expand a little on the 30-60 cameras so I can understand better, is that to stitch together the various views when a AVP user moves their head? Or were you using that number to represent the number of viewpoints on the floor? Like if it was only one view at the scorer's table, do I understand you would need multiple cameras for one view?
      - asadotzler 2y ago
        The NBA uses 30-60 cameras to give you a truly immersive view with all of the angles in high definition. This "VR" app uses one view and a bunch of shitty animation. If the NBA was going to truly embrace the Vision Pro, they'd need to replace most of all of their stadium rigs with new gear that could feed both the live TV broadcast and the server farm crunching it for VR. Not doing so means fewer high quality angles and more "fake" bits, less dynamism, and more low-poly, laggy garbage like this demoware that, despite claiming to be immersive, simply cannot compete on immersive-ness with boring old 2D broadcasts.
- ninju 2y ago
  You can currently remote viewing sporting events https://tech.cosm.com/markets/sports-and-entertainment https://tech.cosm.com/markets/sports-and-entertainment
0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago
I am struggling to come up with some mainstream uses for this. Sports, concerts, plays, etc are something that could theoretically be used on a recurring basis to entice the public. My only nerd imaginations are something like a WH40k game. Watch a MOBA in 3D. Fortnite. Maybe a few historical events? This was the moon landing configuration. The view from the grassy knoll to Kennedy.
- lbourdages 2y ago
  I would love this when playing DnD. You could even have the app recognize dice and compute modifiers for attack rolls and what not.
  - ortusdux 2y ago
    DnD with the option to switch between 3rd and 1st person views would be amazing. Personally, I'd like an NFL game where you drop your players on the line, draw the routes on the field, and then switch to 1st person QB view for the snap.
    - PaulHoule 2y ago
      https://www.meta.com/experiences/nfl-pro-era/4193975210678121/?srsltid=AfmBOorLbIeENFPEEZ4r_yNJOcsS1yJhjXvKatLcYy_26NIVzacl3njE https://www.meta.com/experiences/nfl-pro-era/419397521067812... NFL Pro Era for MQ3 sent chills up my spine when I first walked out into the arena.
  - crooked-v 2y ago
    Demeo (https://store.steampowered.com/app/1484280/Demeo/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1484280/Demeo/) is the pure board game implementation of that concept, with a lot of effort put into actually taking advantage of the VR aspect without siloing players off from each other.
- skyyler 2y ago
  >My only nerd imaginations are something like a WH40k game Okay, actually, wargaming in VR would be sick if executed well...
cco 2y ago
One of the actual compelling experiences for me on the Oculus Go back in the day was court side NBA games. I think they did eventually offer VR live games with a few different viewing options. It's a really nice way to watch a game. Tabletop? Meh, but the ability to control the "camera" with your head, 3d audio of the live stadium etc, that was dope.
philwelch 2y ago
There was an old Oculus app where you could watch NBA games in VR, except it was from the perspective of 3D camera rigs that were set up above the backboards. The company behind this app, NextVR, was acquired by Apple in 2020. (Meta has subsequently made different arrangements for broadcasting NBA games in VR.)
andrewmcwatters 2y ago
I’m so happy to see the side effects of Apple pissing on developers for so long that large caps pull out and small business and individual developers don’t want to touch the stuff.

crooked-v 2y ago

It feels to me like it's one step closer to having an arbitrarily positioned "courtside seat" view.

whywhywhywhy 2y ago
I get court side view if it’s 3d footage it would be immersive. It’s the tiny players running around the coffee table that’s technically impressive but conceptually baffling why you’d want that.
- crooked-v 2y ago
  I think the missing context from the post (as it calls out) is that the intended experience is that you have the diorama view at the same time as the actual footage, so it's showing you where everyone is offscreen.
  - bitmasher9 2y ago
    Yeah, it seems awesome to be able to track the entire game at once instead of just focusing on what’s in camera frame. The combination of both could be very engaging.
  - asadotzler 2y ago
    When you're not "inside the action" of the live TV broadcast, you're not going to turn to a low-poly video game map because the live broadcast will give you HD wide shots better than this tabletop garbage. No one wants to swivel their head back and forth with 1.5 pounds of dork box cantilevered off their face for an experience less immersive than the live broadcast and offering zero value add.
harmmonica 2y ago
Anyone able to explain the technical reason this doesn't exist yet? Maybe technically feasible but NBA thinks it would cannibalize tickets sales? If it did (does?) exist it would be nice if it could be "all" courtside views (pick the one you want or switch between them as you're watching). And when I say all it doesn't have to be literally every seat, but there could be one at each baseline and then maybe one each side of the scorer's table and then 2 opposite those so 6 in total.
- asadotzler 2y ago
  Yes, because no one is going to spend the money to add another 30-60 cameras to the NBA broadcast platform to cater to fewer than 100K Vision Pro users. Even Quest's 10M actives doesn't come close to warranting that kind of financial outlay.
  - harmmonica 2y ago
    Ok, it's totally technically feasible today, but the return is not there given the lack of viewership. If you can expand a little on the 30-60 cameras so I can understand better, is that to stitch together the various views when a AVP user moves their head? Or were you using that number to represent the number of viewpoints on the floor? Like if it was only one view at the scorer's table, do I understand you would need multiple cameras for one view?
    - asadotzler 2y ago
      The NBA uses 30-60 cameras to give you a truly immersive view with all of the angles in high definition. This "VR" app uses one view and a bunch of shitty animation. If the NBA was going to truly embrace the Vision Pro, they'd need to replace most of all of their stadium rigs with new gear that could feed both the live TV broadcast and the server farm crunching it for VR. Not doing so means fewer high quality angles and more "fake" bits, less dynamism, and more low-poly, laggy garbage like this demoware that, despite claiming to be immersive, simply cannot compete on immersive-ness with boring old 2D broadcasts.
ninju 2y ago
You can currently remote viewing sporting events https://tech.cosm.com/markets/sports-and-entertainment https://tech.cosm.com/markets/sports-and-entertainment

0cf8612b2e1e 2y ago

I am struggling to come up with some mainstream uses for this. Sports, concerts, plays, etc are something that could theoretically be used on a recurring basis to entice the public. My only nerd imaginations are something like a WH40k game. Watch a MOBA in 3D. Fortnite. Maybe a few historical events? This was the moon landing configuration. The view from the grassy knoll to Kennedy.

lbourdages 2y ago
I would love this when playing DnD. You could even have the app recognize dice and compute modifiers for attack rolls and what not.
- ortusdux 2y ago
  DnD with the option to switch between 3rd and 1st person views would be amazing. Personally, I'd like an NFL game where you drop your players on the line, draw the routes on the field, and then switch to 1st person QB view for the snap.
  - PaulHoule 2y ago
    https://www.meta.com/experiences/nfl-pro-era/4193975210678121/?srsltid=AfmBOorLbIeENFPEEZ4r_yNJOcsS1yJhjXvKatLcYy_26NIVzacl3njE https://www.meta.com/experiences/nfl-pro-era/419397521067812... NFL Pro Era for MQ3 sent chills up my spine when I first walked out into the arena.
- crooked-v 2y ago
  Demeo (https://store.steampowered.com/app/1484280/Demeo/ https://store.steampowered.com/app/1484280/Demeo/) is the pure board game implementation of that concept, with a lot of effort put into actually taking advantage of the VR aspect without siloing players off from each other.
skyyler 2y ago
>My only nerd imaginations are something like a WH40k game Okay, actually, wargaming in VR would be sick if executed well...

cco 2y ago

One of the actual compelling experiences for me on the Oculus Go back in the day was court side NBA games. I think they did eventually offer VR live games with a few different viewing options. It's a really nice way to watch a game. Tabletop? Meh, but the ability to control the "camera" with your head, 3d audio of the live stadium etc, that was dope.

philwelch 2y ago

There was an old Oculus app where you could watch NBA games in VR, except it was from the perspective of 3D camera rigs that were set up above the backboards. The company behind this app, NextVR, was acquired by Apple in 2020. (Meta has subsequently made different arrangements for broadcasting NBA games in VR.)

andrewmcwatters 2y ago

I’m so happy to see the side effects of Apple pissing on developers for so long that large caps pull out and small business and individual developers don’t want to touch the stuff.