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I agree with the first two points, but you may be greatly overestimating 3.

veidr 14y ago
It's not just developers. A lot of users really hate Apple's rules and overbearing behavior. Retroactively disabling apps like Airfoil speakers, not allowing routine apps like wi-fi signal strength checkers, not allowing porn, not allowing installing apps outside of the app store... shit like that pisses off warehouse workers and preschool teachers I know. It's not just the bogus patent suits and insane restrictions on developers that make people dislike Apple. Developers don't like that shit, but are also in a way more inclined to pragmatically overlook it. Real users are often less forgiving.
- taligent 14y ago
  Firstly, I don't know which preschool teachers you know but I can't imagine many of them caring about a WiFi signal strength checker (it is already built in), porn (iPhone websites already exist and you can put your own videos on the device) or installing apps from outside the app store. Secondly, you seem to be ignorant of the Cydia App Store where there is a large number of paid apps for the more power users.
nilliams 14y ago
Yep, pissing off the odd developer is not going to eat into Apple's handset sales particularly.
- SquareWheel 14y ago
  I'm not so sure, after all this lawsuit nonsense I've vowed to not buy another Apple product. I can't in good faith support a company that wants to hurt innovation.
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  - taligent 14y ago
    Interesting to know what phone you will chose. Can't be Samsung, HTC or Google since all three are under investigation for anti-competitive behaviour in abusing their FRAND obligations. And as we know common standards are what foster innovation. Can't be Microsoft since it has a long, questionable history. Meego, Symbian ?
    - Gigablah 14y ago
      Common standards? Apple?
    - SquareWheel 14y ago
      Who said I was going to buy a phone? I've bought three iPods from Apple in the past as I considered them quality products. I certainly won't be doing that again.
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matwood 14y ago
I think you could be seeing a lot of 3a/3b with 3b being that Andriod JB is finally a damn good OS imho. I have been in Apples camp for a long time simply because I thought they had the best device OS combo out there. Honestly, I'm surprised they were able to stay the best combo for as long as they have. I love competition and can't wait to see what Apple comes up with next.

veidr 14y ago

It's not just developers. A lot of users really hate Apple's rules and overbearing behavior. Retroactively disabling apps like Airfoil speakers, not allowing routine apps like wi-fi signal strength checkers, not allowing porn, not allowing installing apps outside of the app store... shit like that pisses off warehouse workers and preschool teachers I know. It's not just the bogus patent suits and insane restrictions on developers that make people dislike Apple. Developers don't like that shit, but are also in a way more inclined to pragmatically overlook it. Real users are often less forgiving.

taligent 14y ago
Firstly, I don't know which preschool teachers you know but I can't imagine many of them caring about a WiFi signal strength checker (it is already built in), porn (iPhone websites already exist and you can put your own videos on the device) or installing apps from outside the app store. Secondly, you seem to be ignorant of the Cydia App Store where there is a large number of paid apps for the more power users.

nilliams 14y ago

Yep, pissing off the odd developer is not going to eat into Apple's handset sales particularly.

SquareWheel 14y ago
I'm not so sure, after all this lawsuit nonsense I've vowed to not buy another Apple product. I can't in good faith support a company that wants to hurt innovation.
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- taligent 14y ago
  Interesting to know what phone you will chose. Can't be Samsung, HTC or Google since all three are under investigation for anti-competitive behaviour in abusing their FRAND obligations. And as we know common standards are what foster innovation. Can't be Microsoft since it has a long, questionable history. Meego, Symbian ?
  - Gigablah 14y ago
    Common standards? Apple?
  - SquareWheel 14y ago
    Who said I was going to buy a phone? I've bought three iPods from Apple in the past as I considered them quality products. I certainly won't be doing that again.
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matwood 14y ago

I think you could be seeing a lot of 3a/3b with 3b being that Andriod JB is finally a damn good OS imho. I have been in Apples camp for a long time simply because I thought they had the best device OS combo out there. Honestly, I'm surprised they were able to stay the best combo for as long as they have. I love competition and can't wait to see what Apple comes up with next.