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ICE wants to know if you're posting negative things about it online
- LorenDB 2y agohttps://archive.ph/HA2It https://archive.ph/HA2It
- atkailash 2y agoI guess they’re tossing out the First and Fourth amendments now
- iAMkenough 2y agoFourth Amendment got tossed out by SCOTUS in Egbert v Boule in 2022 for the nearly 66% of Americans that live within 100 miles of a border.
- titzer 2y ago100% Orwellian doublespeak and doublethink from here on out.
- jethro_tell 2y agoEh, put ‘em on the pile. There’s not much left at this point.
- ZunarJ5 2y agoHaha, screw ICE. Honestly.
- qntmfred 2y agoI post in public for a reason. ICE is welcome to read my social media just like everybody else.
- JKCalhoun 2y agoI don't say negative things about ICE so I have nothing to worry about.
- brookst 2y agoSo you claim, but I recall you saying terrible things about ICE so now you have something to worry about.
- patates 2y agoWhen I say bad things about ICE, I always mean the Inter City Express trains in Germany. When the Syrian refugees were coming to Frankfurt, quite a lot of them arrived via trains, so they usually work as the opposite of the American ICE.
- throw0101c 2y ago> I don't say negative things about ICE so I have nothing to worry about. For the current definition of "negative".
- quickslowdown 2y agoWhy wouldn't you say negative things about ICE? They suck, and are constantly coming up with ridiculous schemes like this to avoid criticism for the evils they're very aware they commit. Fuck ICE.
- JKCalhoun 2y ago/s
- quickslowdown 2y agoNot an ounce of sarcasm in my comment. If I had wanted a sarcasm tag, I would have added one.
- BobaFloutist 2y agoWell, I am.
- throwway120385 2y agoThoughtcrime.
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- tdeck 2y agoThis is the excellent government efficiency we have been promised.
- Trasmatta 2y agoThe current administration sure is a great defender of the first amendment
- josefritzishere 2y agoICE are the Nazi Gestapo of 2025.
- immibis 2y agoI don't think Nazi comparisons are allowed on HN. Even if they're accurate.
- zapataband2 2y ago[flagged]
- zapataband2 2y agomid-genocide I will add.
- immibis 2y agoI don't think you're allowed to call the systematic murder of ~6~ 5 million people a "genocide" on HN, either.
- rsoto2 2y agowhat? 6 million people? The nazi genocides were more like 10 million people but yes Israeli deadbeats like to focus on the Shoah deaths to garner sympathy for their own genocides and mass disabling operations.
- WolfeReader 2y agoI doubt ICE would view the comparison as a negative one.
- zapataband2 2y agoCan I see your papers? Are you harboring enemies of the state? https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/tribal-nations-urge-citizens-to-carry-id-as-ice-raids-increase https://nativenewsonline.net/currents/tribal-nations-urge-ci...
- drooopy 2y agoSounds like this could lead to a lot of unnecessary government spending. Someone should let musk know.
- dralley 2y agoDoesn't sound much like free speech either. Neither does banning the AP for refusing to use "Gulf of America" sound much like free press.
- taurknaut 2y agoICE represents so much currently wrong with america today: a bipartisan-supported, taxpayer-funded gang of thugs that exist to ensure a cheap source of labor. what's actually driving down wages is the fact that a lack of reliable and legal mechanism to find citizenship if you already live here means many if not most people are willing to turn a blind eye to the same taking of jobs and downward pressure on wages that got everyone upset in the first place to avoid cruelly displacing someone from a place they call home. So yea ICE can suck a fuck.
- zapataband2 2y agoI've been in this country since I was 3 years old. My parents and I have never committed a crime. There is no pathway to citizenship for us that doesn't involve leaving the country for at least ten years.
- schnable 2y agoIt isn't ICE's fault that congress won't fix the immigration system.
- grayhatter 2y agoSo you're saying they're just following orders?
- schnable 2y agoIf your complaint is "the pathway to legal citizenship should be reformed", ICE is the wrong target.
- grayhatter 2y agoI haven't taken any position, I'm only pointing out the parallels of the argument you're making to mistakes us humans have made in the past, that we don't want to make again. But if you want me to make an assertion, I'll go with: We're all on this blue marble together; Us vs Them is a negative sum game we don't want to play. ICE has earned the reputation they have, and until they do something that changes them from "dog murderers" and "targeting the wrong people", we shouldn't afford them any sympathy or excuses. ICE the organization might not directly be able to alter the laws they're given, but they can directly influence them, and change the way we talk about it. Individual ICE agents, likewise also can't change the laws they enforce, but they can change how they enforce them. They can spend more time doing what's right, instead of doing what's easy. They can take things a bit slower instead of murdering important family members, or making children afraid of what's going to happen to them.
- dylan604 2y ago"In addition to compiling personal information — such as the Social Security numbers and addresses of those whose posts are flagged — the contractor will also provide ICE with a “photograph, partial legal name, partial date of birth, possible city, possible work affiliations, possible school or university affiliation, and any identified possible family members or associates.” What's up with all of the "partial" if they have your SSN, they have you. This is the lamest attempt at whatever the fuck they are attempting. Why can't they just say they are doxxing anyone who has anything negative to say about <insertRecipientOfComplaints> as they continue to be the eye of sauron?
- toomuchtodo 2y agoWow, ICE is gonna be super bummed if and when the general public returns the favor.
- NetOpWibby 2y agoI cannot wait for that
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- wil421 2y agoSSN doesn’t give them your parents and siblings social media accounts. They are basically farming out intelligence gathering not doxing.
- kevin_thibedeau 2y agoThey're already on your graph maintained by a slew of data brokers.
- dylan604 2y agoWow, that's such a lazy thought process. They clearly already have your social accounts. The vast majority of people are already linked to their parental units on some sort of social platform. The point is, if they have your SSN, they know who you are. Or, possibly the person whose identity you've stolen with your fake credentials, but that's beyond the scope of this little thought exercise. They have your accounts, pictures, SSN, yet only a partial name? Seriously?? They have your SSN for pete's sake. It's not like the gov't only stores a partial name with that SSN. The whole thing is a farce of an attempt to make it sound less than what it truly is. Your attempt at making it sound like it's not doxxing is also farcical.
- perihelions 2y agoRelated? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36435498 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36435498 ("LexisNexis is selling personal data to ICE so it can try to predict crimes" (2023), 114 comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26672613 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26672613 ("LexisNexis to Provide Giant Database of Personal Information to ICE" (2021), 26 comments)
- tfandango 2y agoI know some guys who order water with no ice, honestly, I think it's weird, should I report them?
- z2 2y agoWhy yes, that's decidedly un-American behavior! https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/why-dont-other-countries-use-ice-cubes-50361097/ https://www.smithsonianmag.com/arts-culture/why-dont-other-c...
- manfre 2y agoDismissed idea: acting in a way that wouldn't cast them in a negative light.
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- sophacles 2y agoOh look - the dirtbags at ICE are trying to go full Stasi... go figure the trash arm of US law enforcement is cowering in fear rather than being productive. It's best that every last ICE agent is an incompetent twat - like seriously, the best way to know someone is unqualified for the job is that they applied to ICE - otherwise things could get really ugly for people here legally too. Fortunately I don't have to worry about the morons, cowards, and completely useless trash at ICE_- apparently my negative comment scares them into whining about people saying mean things. I wish they have a really really shitty day - the fools at ICE that is.
- wesselbindt 2y agoI have been using their contact form [1] to self report whenever I say something negative about ICE. I think they kind of suck. Oh whelp there I go again! Better let them know. The linked form has a "cybercrime" category, which I believe thought crimes fall under. [1] https://www.ice.gov/webform/ice-tip-form https://www.ice.gov/webform/ice-tip-form
- nyc_data_geek1 2y ago[flagged]
- edoceo 2y agoLiterally stealing jobs (eg President) from Americans.
- exe34 2y agoI love the picture of Melon and his kid in the Oval Office - Dump looked like a minority shareholder at his own party!
- kevin_thibedeau 2y agoMelania is no different.
- jchw 2y agoI'm torn. On one hand, someone should tell whoever is in charge of this edict that it is probably not a good idea. It is likely to backfire, and the harder you double down, the worse it will get. Public opinion will probably turn negative quickly, as you will wind up coming off as petty and insecure. On the other hand, the last time we saw a large scale misunderstanding of how to deal with the Internet like this was probably the COVID-19 snitching hotlines, so realistically we're just about due for another one. Not saying it'll all be fun and games but it might be popcorn time.
- zapataband2 2y agoThey've been rounding up native american citizens, public opinion would already be abysmal in a functioning democracy
- jchw 2y agoI mean public opinion about this specific operation, not in general.
- GoatInGrey 2y agoNative Americans, specifically the Navajo, have been questioned by agents, but there have been no mass persecution or arrests of Native Americans. That was a rumor spread on social media without any provenance. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/trump-immigration-raids-citizens-profiling-accusations-native-american-rcna189203 https://www.nbcnews.com/news/latino/trump-immigration-raids-... https://www.yahoo.com/news/checked-reports-ice-detaining-native-002500131.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/checked-reports-ice-detaining-nat... I cannot emphasize enough how huge of a story it would be if the United States government was legitimately rounding up Native Americans. Given existing racial tensions and historical controversy, that would on the front pages for days on end. It would be as juicy a story as the German feds mass arresting Jews.
- lupire 2y agoPP was referring to native US Americans, not First People. It's weird that you are downplaying this. Are you ironically alluding to how the Holocaust was underreported in contemporaneous media before the US joined WWII?
- kjrfghslkdjfl 2y agoFascism.
- danju 2y ago[dead]
- mac3n 2y agodid ICE ever account for the missing children? does this get me on the list?
- bdangubic 2y agoreported :)
- hansvm 2y agoI mean, if I were a legal citizen and you mistakenly deported me and stole my child (left them with US CPS for protection) I might have some strong opinions about your moral standing. If you stole my child while legitimately deporting me I wouldn't look too favorably on you either. 15 states authorize you to kill people for lesser offenses ("stand your ground" laws and whatnot), and ICE has made tons of such "mistakes" and "oversights" over the years. What's going on behind the scenes? Does this align more with any of the following three, or perhaps something else? 1. They claim they're getting enough death threats to warrant a proactive search. Maybe that's just a lie, and this is a power grab. 2. The internet has a lot of people giving death threats and other despicable behavior without cause. If that's you, please stop. ICE would be overreacting by taking that seriously though. 3. Is ICE performing enough atrocities that they're creating people legitimately interested in using violence to stop them? If so, taking a step back to reflect on your life choices seems like a healthier option than ramping up the likelihood of committing those atrocities.
- Out_of_Characte 2y agoIts just a lose-lose situation for ice. 1) they have been prevented from deporting all illegal aliens directly due to political influences in so-called sanctuary cities and various state laws. 2) now ICE is required by law, legislation and trump to deport those who have been living there for years. Illegals have no recourse other than notifying the agencies that are trying to remove them. 3) This HAS to be done in order to naturalise those that are eligible for citizenship. 4) all draconian measures mentioned in the article are probaly entirely justified given that certain people have been driven in to a corner with no way out after being in the US for years. Not assessing the death threats would be foolish, knowing who is very interested in avoiding ICE and lives in the US is also of utmost importance.
- skyyler 2y ago>now ICE is required by law, legislation and trump to deport those who have been living there for years They could quit and get a different job that benefits society more, like stocking shelves at a grocery store.
- 30ahsg254 2y agoThis seems to be right up Glenn Greenwald's alley. I wonder if he'll report it now that he makes a lot of excuses for Trump (to Greenwald's credit, he still reports free speech hypocrisy of Republicans when it comes to censoring Gaza supporters).
- schnable 2y agoHe did found The Intercept, but later resigned. His core principals seems to be anti-Westernism and general contrarianism.
- beepbooptheory 2y agoHate to make their job harder here, but unfortunately I have nothing positive to say about the low rent Nazis ICE. If they care about citizenship, I urge them to first and foremost set a good example and get a real job.
- croes 2y agoWho else get Chinese state surveillance vibes? Land of the free and freedom of speech, yeah sure.
- mihaaly 2y agoMeanwhile in Europe: "Vance criticises Europe over free speech and democracy" (https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c24728zpp70t https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/c24728zpp70t) Ironic?
- calibas 2y agoICE is trying to track you online! Please enter your email to continue reading...
- ceejayoz 2y agohttps://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312 https://twitter.com/dril/status/473265809079693312
- duxup 2y agoTwitter link is on point, no matter what it says, just for being twitter.
- gradientsrneat 2y agoThe Intercept wasn't even good at journalism in the days of the Snowden leaks. I read the article (the paywall is javascript). I want to have satisaction from the anxiety of the current admin, and I know that bad things are happening, but I just can't trust this org or anyone in their network. My biggest takeaway is that Trump admin is maybe planning illegal mass deportations, but I already knew that before reading the article.
- VyseofArcadia 2y agoI suspect we're entering a "if you don't have anything nice to say, keep it to yourself, especially if you dislike what a battering ram might do to your front door" period in US domestic policy.
- lazide 2y agoOh pretty soon saying nothing isn’t going to be an option either.
- VyseofArcadia 2y agoIf we get to the point that the government mandates I open a Twitter account and start verbally felating ICE, I think I will emigrate.
- kevin_thibedeau 2y agoJust say its against your religion to associate with the mark of the beast.
- lazide 2y agoGood luck getting out at that point.
- anal_reactor 2y agoNot a surprise, if anyone has been following the development of American culture, it's just that the list of acceptable things to say is slowly stopping to include things that people on this website like to say, that's the only real change.
- htek 2y agoThe difference is that there are culturally inappropriate things to say--that is, things that people who aren't completely toxic bigots generally agree you shouldn't yell in public, and then there are things ON THE LIST the right wing government fascists are going to kick your door down for uttering to two people online.
- wnevets 2y agoICE should be disbanded.
- dfxm12 2y agoConservatives don't care about free speech. They only care about control. They are not skilled at governing and many of their governance goals are illegal, so they have to resort to strong arm tactics like this. You can bellyache all day about getting downvoted on reddit or flagged on here, but when the government is trying to target people for dissent, that's when we're actually into territory the founding fathers were scared of.
- blotfaba 2y agoOh well in that case let me just put this out there: to hell with ICE.
- burkaman 2y agoThe document says the service will be required to monitor StumbleUpon and Vine (both of which shut down like 8 years ago), and also Bitly which they seem to think is a social media site.
- theossuary 2y agoGosh I still miss StumbleUpon
- senordevnyc 2y agoYou always think of the evil empire as having their shit more together than this…
- oxqbldpxo 2y agoIn the mean time they are likely feeding everyone's data to Palantir's monster.
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- _fat_santa 2y agohttps://archive.is/HA2It https://archive.is/HA2It
- duxup 2y agoI really miss when the GOP maintained at least some token efforts regarding libertarianism and such. Instead we get these weird talking points from them, and then dramatically opposite actions when in power. We got "omg silicon valley" in government, overreaching security services, weird sort of banned words work going on ...
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- ASUfool 2y agoICE --> Hail --> Heil
- stevetron 2y agoIs that like posting "Don't eat yellow snow" or "Don't eat yellow ICE" ?
- carbonbioxide 2y agoI wish the government used money more efficiently. This whole ICE thing seems like a bad unnecessary flex. We already have more important issues to address including health care, gun violence... and we're deporting taqueros and fruit pickers, really...?
- phendrenad2 2y agoI'm calling BS. > ICE wants to know if you're posting negative things about it online (theintercept.com) Nope. If you actually read (you know, it's not that hard, it's like that thing you do when you do leetcode? Give it a try, it's not that difficult!) the document ("25517962-statement-of-objectives"), you can see that it clearly states that it's only looking for threats against ICE employees or facilities. (The chuckleheads posting "fuck Ice" in the comments here are fine. But they knew that...) > It’s unclear how exactly any contractor might sniff out someone’s “proclivity for violence.” The intercept should stop playing stupid, it's a bad look. Hasn't sentiment analysis been around for 20+ years now? Get with the times, grandpa! > In addition to compiling personal information — such as the Social Security numbers Yeah that's under a section that starts: "The Contractor shall provide public records details on the individual, as available". If your Facebook account uses your real name, and your real name is rare enough that it can be matched to a public SSN database, guess what? You'll never guess. It's craazay!