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It is hard for me to understand how proposing some minor outreach goal (that would consume <5% of the budget) politicizes the science. Perhaps the outreach wa
by fastaguy88 2y ago
It is hard for me to understand how proposing some minor outreach goal (that would consume <5% of the budget) politicizes the science. Perhaps the outreach was politicized, but outreach is not science.
- throwawaymaths 2y agoif it's not science why is it in the scientific grant?
- orwin 2y agoBecause you want outreach programs to promote science and scientific careers. Marie Curry, arguably one of the greatest scientist of the last century, the only one who got two nobel prize in two different categories, only got into science because of an underground outreach science program in Warsaw (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_University https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_University). She then immigrated in france, probably because French "Academie des Sciences" forgot to make a rule about not allowing women to make science, and was only hired to her first scientist job because... Of a science outreach program (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soci%C3%A9t%C3%A9_d%27encouragement_pour_l%27industrie_nationale https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soci%C3%A9t%C3%A9_d%27encourag...).
- throwawaymaths 2y agoyoure missing the point. if you want oureach, have outreach. dont staple it to a science grant.
- orwin 2y agoIt's the way it has been done since at least the 19th century, but sure.
- throwawaymaths 2y agojust because things have always been done some way doent mean it's right nor even efficient. plenty of societal strategies have been ditched over the millennia.
- fastaguy88 2y agoNon-scientists get excited and engaged by participating inthe scientific process. Including undergraduates on a paper annotating Drosophila genes is head and shoulders more exciting than rediscovering some genetic principal published 70 years ago. The purpose of outreach is engagement, not simply checking off the outreach box.