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Excuse me if you think I referred to Elon Musk as a hacker. He's a marketer. I meant the nazi kids he hired.
by whoitwas 2y ago
Excuse me if you think I referred to Elon Musk as a hacker. He's a marketer. I meant the nazi kids he hired.
- croes 2y agoThe same kids who have now access to vital US systems. Better people learn about their lack of experience fro a hacked doge site than a hacked paxment system. The ones who will hack that won't be as friendly.
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- gunnihinn 2y agoTheir boss does nazi salutes at political events. They’re nazis.
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- vultour 2y agoDo you have a video of him looking like a gummy bear?
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- acdha 2y agoWe got here because wealthy ideologues spent half a century creating a biased media ecosystem and attacking the idea that objective truth exists. Calling someone a Nazi because they made a Nazi salute isn’t causative, it’s just recognizing a problem which should have been tackled more aggressively 20 years ago.
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- acdha 2y agoWhat value do you think comes from trying to finely parse whether the “I was racist before it was cool” guy calling for a “eugenic immigration policy”, who “would not mind at all if Gaza and Israel were both wiped off the face of the Earth” has a slightly different self-identity than his boss who threw the Nazi salutes? “Anti-Semitic bigot who at the very least doesn’t mind being around people who throw Nazi salutes” is longer but doesn’t seem very different in terms of how decent people would view them.
- boxed 2y agoThe same value as finely parsing whether you are the same person as Stalin or whatever. You are viewing your enemy not as a bunch of flawed or even mentally ill people, but as some movie villain or even not-reall-humans. This is a problem. That's how you start down the path of justifying genocide. When the right becomes crazier, the solution is not for the left to become even crazier and starting some arms race of who can be most insane.
- sussmannbaka 2y agowhich word is acceptable to describe the owner of kkk-is-cool.club and n***.rentals?
- DonHopkins 2y agoDon't lie to carry the water for Nazis. It empties you of all integrity. How about blaming the people who are actually acting like Nazis, and also the actual self described Nazis who are supporting them and cheering them on and recruiting off of Musk platforming and promoting them, of emptying the word of all meaning, among other much worse things. The Nazis are pretty successful to have convinced you to debase yourself by sticking up for them and criticizing anti-fascists for simply calling a spade a spade. So who do you consider worse: the actual Nazis, or people who you believe are emptying the word Nazi of all meaning (boo hoo hoo)? Because you're siding with and defending the actual Nazis from being called what they are. Is there a word for what that makes you?
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- DonHopkins 2y agoBEING nazi/bigot/transphobic/etc is what ATTRACTED every bigot and self admitted Nazi to the Republicans, and there you go, standing up for and defending them by denying reality. If not yet, then at what point exactly would allow anyone to exercise their own free speech by calling Musk, a self described "free speech absolutist", transphobic? What more would he have to do, than to actually publicly attack and verbally abuse and humiliate and deadname and misgender and lie about his own child? How about policing the actual Nazis and bigots and transphobes instead of the people like his daughter who rightfully call him what he obviously is by his very own words and deeds? Elon Musk’s Transgender Daughter Says He Was ‘Cruel’ and ‘Uncaring’: https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/26/business/media/elon-musk-daughter-interview-nbc.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/07/26/business/media/elon-musk-... Elon Musk's Daughter Attacks Trump's Order, Addresses 'Nazi Salute': https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-daughter-attacks-trump-executive-order-addresses-salute-2019456 https://www.newsweek.com/elon-musk-daughter-attacks-trump-ex... Elon Musk's trans daughter, Vivian Wilson, calls out his Nazi salute: 'Call a spade a spade': https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musks-trans-daughter-vivian-122626941.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/elon-musks-trans-daughter-vivian-... Elon Musk’s Trans Daughter Vivian Jenna Wilson Calls Him a “Grubby Little Control Freak”: https://www.them.us/story/vivian-jenna-wilson-elon-musk-grubby-little-control-freak-2024-election https://www.them.us/story/vivian-jenna-wilson-elon-musk-grub... Elon Musk’s transgender daughter, in first interview, says he berated her for being queer as a child: https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender-daughter-vivian-wilson-interview-rcna163665 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/elon-musk-transgender...
- Terr_ 2y agoThat was true at one point--I used to make the same objection--but it's 2025 and the threshold has been crossed. If you wait for unassailable academic applicability, when you finally deploy it your prison guards won't care. A quick sampling off the top of my head: The First Consigliere throws double Nazi salutes on national TV and smirks in ambiguity when questioned whether he intended it, the President defends a Nazi march as "very fine people", violent private groups serving their political ends have been placed above any (federal) prosecution, and the administration is actively boasting that they will remove undesirables by creating the largest deportation in the entire history of the nation using the same laws abused for the WWII Japanese internment camps. The label may be rude, but it's not unreasonable... and the more reasonable it is, the better it is to be rude!
- matwood 2y agoI agree with you, but I think it’s important to present facts as facts the best we can. There’s enough terrible things out there both Trump and Musk have said and done, there’s no need to have any shred of mischaracterization. https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/ https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/
- BriggyDwiggs42 2y agoIs there really any point in being careful with the facts? It seems like the way to win is to convince people of low interest and/or intelligence, which is all about rhetoric and narrativizing anyways. What’s the utility in truth here?
- matwood 2y agoFair point. But I would argue if the goal is to really change minds then you have to remove little things that allow people to dismiss everything else you said. Low interest/intelligence supporters have probably been shown the rest of the video at this point, so they will label you as a lier and their side as telling the truth and move on. Is it an unfair standard? Yes! There's also so many other events to use hopefully to better effect.
- hkt 2y agoWasn't one of them reported as saying he was racist before it was cool? The whole problem is that the people around Trump (and even more so Musk) do genuinely appear to have Nazi ish beliefs. This is why their attacks on key parts of the state are making such an impact.
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- UncleMeat 2y agoThis isn't what hearsay means.
- boxed 2y agoNo source, a question mark after, super vague reference. How is that not hearsay?
- soylentcola 2y agoThe person in question published it openly on the internet (Twitter). Not gonna bother digging up the proof again because it's been widely reported and not denied - just minimized as some cheeky edgelord humor.
- boxed 2y agoWell I have no idea what is discussed so...
- whoitwas 2y agoI think they're pretty open about the nazi stuff at this point.
- boxed 2y agoNot really. If you're open about it you don't have to hint at it and never say it openly. You know, actually being open about it. Also, neo-nazis. Not nazis. Nazis were a very real political group. Some are even still alive. None of these teenagers were even born. Their PARENTS weren't even born.
- whoitwas 2y agoIf you want to get technical and nuanced about it, that's fine. Neo nazi is a nazi. Punch a nazi. It's good.
- squarefoot 2y agoDoes that make a difference? Their views check every mark in the description of a Nazi, and they identify themselves as such. If someone walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, in a world where any sane person would do their best to not even appear a duck, they're ducks. https://www.npr.org/2025/02/06/nx-s1-5289337/elon-musk-doge-treasury https://www.npr.org/2025/02/06/nx-s1-5289337/elon-musk-doge-... https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c93q625y04wo https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c93q625y04wo Tell me you really want your personal data in the hands of those people.
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- lazyasciiart 2y agoThis is like arguing that the Republican Party is the one that ended slavery and therefore Republican voters today are not racist.
- ocdtrekkie 2y agoMany people who are not in tech circles think Elon is a brilliant expert in everything from artificial intelligence to space travel. People who largely think of technology fields as magic hail him as like the modern Galileo who cannot be wrong.
- ml-anon 2y agoMany people in tech circles also think this. People in tech are no smarter or no more resistant to grift and propaganda. See this entire comment section.