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Please remember this next time there's an election.

pstuart 2y ago
This and so much more.
breadwinner 2y ago
HN crowd remembering it is not enough. The problem in the U.S. is that the electorate is divided into two camps: the educated and the uneducated. The uneducated camp votes without a deep understanding of important issues, and they can easily be influenced using "culture wars" topics such as DEI and trans kids. Consider that 53% of Americans approve of the administration’s performance so far—why is that? How can we effectively explain things to that 53%? That’s the challenge.
- alvah 2y ago
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  - breadwinner 2y ago
    Can you help us understand why you support cuts to NIH and cancer research?
    - alvah 2y ago
      I can't help you with your reading comprehension. Where did I make any such statement? I am merely pointing out that hysterically calling ~50% of the population stupid, uneducated etc, while feeling smugly superior to them, was not a winning strategy in 2016 or 2024, and proponents of said strategy seem unable to learn from repeated failures.
      - bashthefash 2y ago
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- biohcacker84 2y ago
  You're doing great, keep it up!
- zo1 2y ago
  This is such surface level and frankly lazy dismissal of a stance or political view that a huge swath of people hold. It's like your "education" didn't really prepare you for the fact that other smart or educated people could come to different conclusions, so you use backwards logic to assign a label of uneducated to them just because they came to different conclusions. The arrogance of it is astonishing.
  - breadwinner 2y ago
    It is a fact that there is a difference in level of education. See: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-overwhelmingly-leads-rivals-in-support-from-less-educated-americans https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-overwhelmingly-l... The numbers are undisputable. City voters (who tend to be better educated) overwhelmingly vote one way versus rural voters. We can discuss the reasons for it, but if you don't even agree that this is a fact then I don't know how to discuss it.
    - zo1 2y ago
      Or a different take (because we didn't really do the "numbers" and removed all variables and angles to this): - Right-leaning individuals are more likely to want to live in rural areas. Arguably to be left alone by leftist policies. So there is an element of filtering. Additionally, perhaps rural-living individuals are simply less-likely to go to higher education. - People with more education have spent more time being indoctrinated by left-wing education. Let's be honest, schooling is heavily biased towards the left, especially higher-education. - Maybe left-leaning individuals are more likely to send their kids for higher education and degrees. - And the opposite of above. As an example, because I lean "right", I'm less likely to send my kids to an American indoctrination camp to get a degree. You could laugh and judge and claim disbelief, but this is very real and I'm serious. I've literally had smart, well thinking friends from school turn into zombies spouting left-wing talking points after moving to an American college. And not "smart" left-leaning talking points, they're arguably brain-washed and not even using their intelligence to reason their left-leaning views with me. - People with more education are more likely to have been pressured by peer-groups to vote left. See: Cancel culture and intimidation on campuses against right-leaning individuals/speakers. And the opposite of that, left-leaning individuals are pushed out of rural areas due to pressure or push back from locals. - People in urban centers are more likely to be exposed to political ads, campaigns, and things like "DEI" re-education programs in workplaces. - Rural areas are less likely to have or fund arguably weird teaching policies to children at a young age. E.g. the whole drag-queen story hour stuff that the right is upset about. - Left-leaning policies and programs are more likely to get funding by NGOs. So you want to argue numbers, let's argue them. But don't pretend like there aren't any variables that drive those numbers other than "oh uneducated (implying stupid) people vote right" which if you are honest, was exactly the angle you were going for as a dog-whistle to other "educated" or "left-leaning" readers.
- poisonarena 2y ago
  "stupid people like trump and dont understand policy and are easily influenced. smart people(like me) like kamala and know whats best for everyone, how can we explain this to them" hackernews is just reddit in slow motion

This and so much more.

HN crowd remembering it is not enough. The problem in the U.S. is that the electorate is divided into two camps: the educated and the uneducated. The uneducated camp votes without a deep understanding of important issues, and they can easily be influenced using "culture wars" topics such as DEI and trans kids. Consider that 53% of Americans approve of the administration’s performance so far—why is that? How can we effectively explain things to that 53%? That’s the challenge.

alvah 2y ago
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- breadwinner 2y ago
  Can you help us understand why you support cuts to NIH and cancer research?
  - alvah 2y ago
    I can't help you with your reading comprehension. Where did I make any such statement? I am merely pointing out that hysterically calling ~50% of the population stupid, uneducated etc, while feeling smugly superior to them, was not a winning strategy in 2016 or 2024, and proponents of said strategy seem unable to learn from repeated failures.
    - bashthefash 2y ago
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biohcacker84 2y ago
You're doing great, keep it up!
zo1 2y ago
This is such surface level and frankly lazy dismissal of a stance or political view that a huge swath of people hold. It's like your "education" didn't really prepare you for the fact that other smart or educated people could come to different conclusions, so you use backwards logic to assign a label of uneducated to them just because they came to different conclusions. The arrogance of it is astonishing.
- breadwinner 2y ago
  It is a fact that there is a difference in level of education. See: https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-overwhelmingly-leads-rivals-in-support-from-less-educated-americans https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/trump-overwhelmingly-l... The numbers are undisputable. City voters (who tend to be better educated) overwhelmingly vote one way versus rural voters. We can discuss the reasons for it, but if you don't even agree that this is a fact then I don't know how to discuss it.
  - zo1 2y ago
    Or a different take (because we didn't really do the "numbers" and removed all variables and angles to this): - Right-leaning individuals are more likely to want to live in rural areas. Arguably to be left alone by leftist policies. So there is an element of filtering. Additionally, perhaps rural-living individuals are simply less-likely to go to higher education. - People with more education have spent more time being indoctrinated by left-wing education. Let's be honest, schooling is heavily biased towards the left, especially higher-education. - Maybe left-leaning individuals are more likely to send their kids for higher education and degrees. - And the opposite of above. As an example, because I lean "right", I'm less likely to send my kids to an American indoctrination camp to get a degree. You could laugh and judge and claim disbelief, but this is very real and I'm serious. I've literally had smart, well thinking friends from school turn into zombies spouting left-wing talking points after moving to an American college. And not "smart" left-leaning talking points, they're arguably brain-washed and not even using their intelligence to reason their left-leaning views with me. - People with more education are more likely to have been pressured by peer-groups to vote left. See: Cancel culture and intimidation on campuses against right-leaning individuals/speakers. And the opposite of that, left-leaning individuals are pushed out of rural areas due to pressure or push back from locals. - People in urban centers are more likely to be exposed to political ads, campaigns, and things like "DEI" re-education programs in workplaces. - Rural areas are less likely to have or fund arguably weird teaching policies to children at a young age. E.g. the whole drag-queen story hour stuff that the right is upset about. - Left-leaning policies and programs are more likely to get funding by NGOs. So you want to argue numbers, let's argue them. But don't pretend like there aren't any variables that drive those numbers other than "oh uneducated (implying stupid) people vote right" which if you are honest, was exactly the angle you were going for as a dog-whistle to other "educated" or "left-leaning" readers.
poisonarena 2y ago
"stupid people like trump and dont understand policy and are easily influenced. smart people(like me) like kamala and know whats best for everyone, how can we explain this to them" hackernews is just reddit in slow motion