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This is of course a deliberate move. By actively destroying ideas and work you don’t agree with, rather than archiving it, you make it harder for the other side
by guff_se 2y ago
This is of course a deliberate move. By actively destroying ideas and work you don’t agree with, rather than archiving it, you make it harder for the other side to realize their vision.
It’s a kind of scorched earth strategy.
- lazide 2y agoEspecially if done from the official archives, since you can then claim any copies are ‘fake news’/forgeries.
- watwut 2y agoIt is easier to claim "everything functions better then before" if you destroyed data about how to worked before and have under control what is said about now.
- exe34 2y agoChocolate rations can increase from 60g to 40g if you don't have a record of how much you got last week.
- mschuster91 2y ago[flagged]
- pjc50 2y agoPresumably this is being downvoted by idealogues, but it's absolutely correct. A couple of years ago I went to an exhibition in Munich on this subject, of surviving material from the era. It was a German doctor of the 1920s who pioneered the idea of giving trans people what was effectively a doctor's note against police harrasment, an ancestor of the modern paperwork transition process.
- exe34 2y agoany idea why this is such a big deal to Nazis? I know they go after other people too, but it's really eerie watching it replay scene by scene.
- defrost 2y agoThey had complicated feelings about their little trouser nazi sig heil'ing everytime they went to the Weimar cabaret. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdM36y-Dkyg https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tdM36y-Dkyg
- llamaimperative 2y agoScapegoating politically and culturally disempowered groups is super useful to such movements. Notice how literally every single problem in our country is “caused by DEI” now? It helps because it’s easier to solve fake problems with fake solutions instead of real ones.
- zmgsabst 2y ago[flagged]
- skulk 2y agoPlaying the victim is also another page right out of the Nazi playbook, thanks for bringing that one up too!
- zmgsabst 2y agoYes — the people the US Supreme Court ruled were illegally discriminated against are just “playing victim”.
- fzeroracer 2y agoI'm curious, what would you call banning transgender individuals from the military then?
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- bloomingkales 2y agoIt is important to note that pre-WW1, Germany was considered to be one of the most sophisticated societies in the world. That's where everyone worth a shit with a mind wanted to be. It's quite curious how the best were corrupted.
- mschuster91 2y agoThat was due to the loss of the war and the followup economic devastation brought by the reparation payments that caused a lot of issues in the economy at large, followed by the 1918 flu pandemic that also caused serious issues (and with 25M dead, even more death than WW1 itself!). One might be tempted to again draw parallels to today's situation in the US, with the US having lost the war in Afghanistan as well as everyone having suffered through years of Covid.
- CamperBob2 2y agoOne might be tempted to again draw parallels to today's situation in the US, with the US having lost the war in Afghanistan as well as everyone having suffered through years of Covid. Not disputing your point, but what blows me away is just how unapt your comparison is. We didn't 'lose' the war in Afghanistan. We chose not to fight it aggressively and eventually got bored with it, and then Biden let himself get rope-a-doped into following Trump's plan for unwinding it. Whatever, no biggie, we're over it. And COVID was nothing like losing a world war. The very notion is ridiculous. Inflation in the US during COVID reached 12%. Inflation in the Weimar Republic reached 12 digits. And yet we voted like a country with no options left. Like a country that had been destroyed and saddled with the bill by the victors... like a pariah nation full of desperate, starving people with nothing to lose. We fell for the first con man to come along waving a Bible and blaming somebody else. What would things be like in America now if we actually had faced a genuine crisis like Germany's post-WWI downfall? My guess is, we're about to find out... because that's what we just voted for.
- mschuster91 2y ago> And COVID was nothing like losing a world war. I compared Covid with the 1918 Spanish Flu, and that comparison is fair to make - if not by the death count, at the very least by the economic consequences. In fact the economic consequences of Covid are worse than those of the 1918 flu because the world is far more interconnected now than it was back then. > What would things be like in America now if we actually had faced a genuine crisis like Germany's post-WWI downfall? My guess is, we're about to find out... because that's what we just voted for. The thing with inflation is, of course the pre-WW2 inflation was ridiculously higher in numbers. But the consequences in the life of the wide masses - struggling to survive every day or at least every payday - are pretty similar. And that's why people don't necessarily vote "for the 47th", they vote "against who is in power currently" - a pattern we see across the Western world, with some countries falling to the far-right, while in others like Poland or the UK the far-right actually loses. The key thing that makes the US and to a degree the UK unique is that both countries only have a two-party system. The UK got lucky, they got the authoritarians in power while the crisis was ongoing so they elected a democratic alternative, the US got the shorter end of the stick and now has to suffer through the 47th's period instead of having an actually social-democrat, Green or even a moderate Conservative third option.
- matwood 2y agoYou have to have enemies to unite an army around.
- josteink 2y ago[flagged]
- actionfromafar 2y agoMaintaining systems is an operational thing, not an administration thing. Are you saying purges of federal data is something routine after a US transfer of power?
- p3rls 2y ago[flagged]
- cguess 2y agoThe difference is those were private platforms not giving a soapbox to certain politicians that were quite clearly violating private terms of service. This is the federal government deleting taxpayer-funded content, data and studies. They are not similar in any way and to imply otherwise is a disingenuous comparison.
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- hiddencost 2y agoThis is totally unprecedented.
- harimau777 2y agoAt least in recent history, there haven't been mass purges of information when a new administration came into power. I wouldn't be surprised if it happened in isolated cases, and that would of course be wrong, but nothing like what we are seeing now.
- computerthings 2y agoAs Hannah Arendt said, the difference between traditional and modern lies is like the difference between hiding it, and destroying it. > Moreover, the traditional lie concerned only particulars and was never meant to deceive literally everybody; it was directed at the enemy and was meant to deceive only him. These two limitations restricted the injury inflicted upon truth to such an extent that to us, in retrospect, it may appear almost harmless. Since facts always occur in a context, a particular lie – that is, a falsehood that makes no attempt to change the whole context – tears, as it were, a hole in the fabric of factuality. As every historian knows, one can spot a lie by noticing incongruities, holes, or the junctures of patched-up places. As long as the texture as a whole is kept intact, the lie will eventually show up as if of its own accord. The second limitation concerns those who are engaged in the business of deception. They used to belong to the restricted circle of statesmen and diplomats, who among themselves still knew and could preserve the truth.They were not likely to fall victims to their own falsehoods; they could deceive others without deceiving themselves. Both of these mitigating circumstances of the old art of lying are noticeably absent from the manipulation of facts that confronts us today. -- Hannah Arendt, "Truth and Politics"