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I'm pulling out my vegetarian pass to say, without hypocrisy, that Neuralink's animal testing record appears to be pretty horrific.

ralfd 2y ago
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- chabes 2y ago
  Long term vegan here. Neuralink's animal testing record appears to be pretty horrific.
  - steve_adams_86 2y ago
    A few years into being vegan and I wholeheartedly agree, too.
- steve_adams_86 2y ago
  I don’t agree with you at all. I’m not sure if you’re serious. In any case, a hypocrite can tell the truth. Someone eating a drumstick from KFC will still be correct if they claim that the system which got their chicken to them is an engine of murder and suffering, and it should stop.
  - oefnak 2y ago
    It is also a matter of scale. Billions of animals are killed after living terrible lives, for single use (consumption). Thousands of animals are (horribly) killed for the long term (science). Which should we focus on first?
misja111 2y ago
If you're using non-vegan products such as soap, shampoo or certain medicines you are complicit to animal testing as well.
- myvoiceismypass 2y ago
  So incredibly easy to find vegan soap and shampoo today. Even in discount stores, like grocery outet.
- arcticbull 2y ago
  Soap is just saponified fat. Oil + lye. You can use any oil, and e.g. olive oil soaps are super common.
- steve_adams_86 2y ago
  There is a plethora of animal testing-free bathroom products. As for medicines, I’m not sure what to do about that. Where I draw the line in veganism is essentially where I’d die if I don’t eat the animal. If there’s a necessity, I think it makes some sense. Some medicines are a necessity for people. Yet I don’t like the idea of supporting companies which would likely be testing non-essential medicines on animals as well. The world isn’t really configured for veganism
- Philpax 2y ago
  I'm not necessarily opposed to animal testing, but I am opposed to whatever Neuralink is doing to get that kind of kill count.

ralfd 2y ago

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chabes 2y ago
Long term vegan here. Neuralink's animal testing record appears to be pretty horrific.
- steve_adams_86 2y ago
  A few years into being vegan and I wholeheartedly agree, too.
steve_adams_86 2y ago
I don’t agree with you at all. I’m not sure if you’re serious. In any case, a hypocrite can tell the truth. Someone eating a drumstick from KFC will still be correct if they claim that the system which got their chicken to them is an engine of murder and suffering, and it should stop.
- oefnak 2y ago
  It is also a matter of scale. Billions of animals are killed after living terrible lives, for single use (consumption). Thousands of animals are (horribly) killed for the long term (science). Which should we focus on first?

misja111 2y ago

If you're using non-vegan products such as soap, shampoo or certain medicines you are complicit to animal testing as well.

myvoiceismypass 2y ago
So incredibly easy to find vegan soap and shampoo today. Even in discount stores, like grocery outet.
arcticbull 2y ago
Soap is just saponified fat. Oil + lye. You can use any oil, and e.g. olive oil soaps are super common.
steve_adams_86 2y ago
There is a plethora of animal testing-free bathroom products. As for medicines, I’m not sure what to do about that. Where I draw the line in veganism is essentially where I’d die if I don’t eat the animal. If there’s a necessity, I think it makes some sense. Some medicines are a necessity for people. Yet I don’t like the idea of supporting companies which would likely be testing non-essential medicines on animals as well. The world isn’t really configured for veganism
Philpax 2y ago
I'm not necessarily opposed to animal testing, but I am opposed to whatever Neuralink is doing to get that kind of kill count.