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Calling that tyranny really devalues the word, especially when you had to buy an Apple device to be "subjected" to it, and there are alternatives.
by EA-3167 2y ago
Calling that tyranny really devalues the word, especially when you had to buy an Apple device to be "subjected" to it, and there are alternatives.
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- fsflover 2y agoCalling this "alternatives" misleads into thinking they are reasonable and there's no duopoly: https://mastodon.sdf.org/@jack/113952225452466068 https://mastodon.sdf.org/@jack/113952225452466068 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26639261 True alternatives, GNU/Linux phones, are not as polished as iPhones are.
- EA-3167 2y agoNot having the alternatives you want isn't the same as not having alternatives, nor is it tyranny.
- fsflover 2y agoDuopoly is not a free market. It doesn't offer true alternatives.
- EA-3167 2y agoAgain, "true" is not a synonym for "what I'd prefer."
- CRConrad 2y agoSure. Just like duopoly isn't a synonym for freedom. So, just because you'd apparently prefer that it be, that doesn't make it true.
- EA-3167 2y agoI didn't say that, I said that talking about tyranny in this context is divorced from reality, and it is. I'm not even engaging with the "duopoly" thing, I know how hopeless a conversation like that. I just wish that people could represent their desires and complaints on this topic like rational adults.
- fsflover 2y ago> talking about tyranny in this context is divorced from reality, and it is This is plain false, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duopoly#Characteristics_of_duopoly https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Duopoly#Characteristics_of_duo...
- EA-3167 2y agoDo you understand how me saying "Tyranny" and you responding "Duopoly" isn't really a conversation or even debate? We're literally talking about different things. edit Since this seems to need clarification: https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tyranny https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/tyranny
- fsflover 2y agoSo what exactly do you mean by "Tyranny"? I mean that customers do not have a choice and can't affect the market, due to high entry barriers and the presence of monopoly elements.
- CRConrad 2y agoStill, neither duopoly nor even monopoly really amount to "tyranny". When was the last time some duopolist threw you into a GULAG, or their death squads slaughtered people willy-nilly in the streets? Stop misusing words like that. It debases them.
- amelius 2y agoWhy would alternatives be any better? It is clearly in the vendor's interest to lock down their platforms. Or are you talking about an open source alternative?
- EA-3167 2y agoI was thinking about Android, or Librem, or jailbreaking.
- talldayo 2y agoI hope you don't consider Apple's acquiescence to government surveillance tyranny then. After all, you've got so many options like Android, Librem or jailbreaking.
- EA-3167 2y agoThe government using the power of the law to invade the privacy of its citizens, against the overwhelming preference of its citizens and international human rights norms... is abusive. It isn't tyranny on its own, but it should be avoided. Not liking how a company provides a service, when there are other companies providing the same service? That's not tyranny. That's not like a government threatening you with jail or violence. If you think it is then the time has come, IMO, to log off for a while and get back in touch with the world outside of the internet and tech.