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Sounds like EU is the land of the free.

by latentcall 2y ago

lawn 2y ago
Meanwhile the republicans are doing their best to make porn illegal.
- Syonyk 2y ago
  The experiment of "all the porn for all the people with no limits" has been tried, and the results have been absolutely abysmal for humans. Beyond the abuse and sex trafficking ties (or the right at the edge of the legal definition but certainly not entirely consensual), revenge porn, and such, the impacts of porn on humans have been exceedingly harmful. There's the whole "PIED" (porn induced erectile dysfunction) thing, where a boy or young man's brain has been so wired from porn that they can't function with an actual woman, you've got disturbing increases in physical damage to people (mostly young women) from boys trying what they've seen in porn, etc. It's not harmless, on either end of the process, and as far as age gating, I'm not aware of any of the porn sites even trying to do anything until legally required. A 10 year old with a smartphone has no trouble finding things way over their head. So, yeah. The experiment has been tried and found wanting. I'm perfectly fine with them trying to make it illegal, or at least "radically harder to access than it is currently," which is "zero roadblocks at all." Society, and humans, were rather better off when you had to walk through the curtain into the back corner of the video store, or get something from the papered off magazine rack at a seedy gas station, than having it available, in total privacy, 24/7.
  - fsflover 2y ago
    > The experiment of "all the porn for all the people with no limits" has been tried, and the results have been absolutely abysmal for humans. Any links? Alternative opinion: https://aeon.co/essays/when-it-comes-to-pornography-whats-the-harm-in-looking https://aeon.co/essays/when-it-comes-to-pornography-whats-th...
    - Syonyk 2y ago
      Were I to spend half an hour providing a set of links, would it actually change anyone's opinion on the matter? It seems to be the sort of viewpoint that isn't easily changed by a few research papers.
      - fsflover 2y ago
        Are you suggesting, that nobody ever changes their opinions based on research papers?
        doublerabbit 2y ago
        Pretty much. I can pitch documents after document and it still comes back to "well thats nice but i'll believe me".
        fsflover 2y ago
        This is anecdotal fallacy. I observed people changing their opinions here, at HN.
        ANewFormation 2y ago
        This is not the sort of topic where that happens. Everybody is aware that if you spin the data this way or that on these sort of topics (broadly - social science with strong preformed views that tends to directly apply to oneself) that you can prove whatever you want, and all a plurality one way or the other demonstrates is the trending bias among those publishing in such a field. When people do change their minds on such topics it tends to be from lived wisdom rather than learned knowledge. Or starting to see such things through the perspective of your children, rather than yourself.
        fsflover 2y ago
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  - michaelt 2y ago
    Yes, dreadful stuff. Unfortunately, for legislators to ban porn without breaking the constitution, they'd have to change the First Amendment. And there is a process for that! IMHO the constitution is due for an overhaul anyway - perhaps while they're at it, the legislators could also sort out those pesky school shootings with some tweaks to the Second Amendment?
    - Syonyk 2y ago
      There's a built in process to revise it that has been used repeatedly throughout the USA's history. Just don't assume that process would always go the way you'd prefer, different people have different opinions. Though they've been somewhat lacking since the 1970s.
- Spivak 2y ago
  Not sure I get the downvotes, this is a core tenant of evangelical conservatism which is now the dominant force of the GOP. Republicans might have a big tent but everyone else is getting squeezed out. The evolution of the US right has been happening since the tea party. It's been sad to see political Republicanism die out, they were a good counterbalance to center-left Democrats.
  - Syonyk 2y ago
    I assume if you mention US political party names on HN, you get a pile of downvotes immediately, valid point or not. I'm not aware they're trying to make it actively illegal, though. Just at least marginally age gated to adults, which is far from the current situation of "If you have a browser and can type something that a search engine can correct into a porn search, you can access as much extreme content as you want, as long as you want, from wherever you want!" The average age of boys being exposed to porn is about 13, and the bottom end of the bell curve is disturbing.
    - deleted 2y ago
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    - talldayo 2y ago
      > The average age of boys being exposed to porn is about 13, and the bottom end of the bell curve is disturbing. The bottom end of the bell curve is a distraction. I remember kids sneaking porno mags into their backpacks in middle school and charging kids dimes and nickles to take a look. I watched Indiana Jones, James Bond and other pulpy films that pile sex onto the narrative with no adult supervision. I read books with chapters dedicated to graphic sexual depictions and violent conflict before I turned 15. The problem, as always, comes down to parenting. If you don't trust your child's own authority to select content that is healthy for them, then it's your responsibility to hire a babysitter or deliberately prevent them from using the internet. It's like complaining that your kid might cut off a finger because you gave them a jigsaw.
      - Syonyk 2y ago
amelius 2y ago
Land of the free ... for the people, not the corporations. Which is of course a good thing.

Sounds like EU is the land of the free.

lawn 2y ago

Meanwhile the republicans are doing their best to make porn illegal.

Syonyk 2y ago
The experiment of "all the porn for all the people with no limits" has been tried, and the results have been absolutely abysmal for humans. Beyond the abuse and sex trafficking ties (or the right at the edge of the legal definition but certainly not entirely consensual), revenge porn, and such, the impacts of porn on humans have been exceedingly harmful. There's the whole "PIED" (porn induced erectile dysfunction) thing, where a boy or young man's brain has been so wired from porn that they can't function with an actual woman, you've got disturbing increases in physical damage to people (mostly young women) from boys trying what they've seen in porn, etc. It's not harmless, on either end of the process, and as far as age gating, I'm not aware of any of the porn sites even trying to do anything until legally required. A 10 year old with a smartphone has no trouble finding things way over their head. So, yeah. The experiment has been tried and found wanting. I'm perfectly fine with them trying to make it illegal, or at least "radically harder to access than it is currently," which is "zero roadblocks at all." Society, and humans, were rather better off when you had to walk through the curtain into the back corner of the video store, or get something from the papered off magazine rack at a seedy gas station, than having it available, in total privacy, 24/7.
- fsflover 2y ago
  > The experiment of "all the porn for all the people with no limits" has been tried, and the results have been absolutely abysmal for humans. Any links? Alternative opinion: https://aeon.co/essays/when-it-comes-to-pornography-whats-the-harm-in-looking https://aeon.co/essays/when-it-comes-to-pornography-whats-th...
  - Syonyk 2y ago
    Were I to spend half an hour providing a set of links, would it actually change anyone's opinion on the matter? It seems to be the sort of viewpoint that isn't easily changed by a few research papers.
    - fsflover 2y ago
      Are you suggesting, that nobody ever changes their opinions based on research papers?
      - doublerabbit 2y ago
        Pretty much. I can pitch documents after document and it still comes back to "well thats nice but i'll believe me".
        fsflover 2y ago
        This is anecdotal fallacy. I observed people changing their opinions here, at HN.
        ANewFormation 2y ago
        This is not the sort of topic where that happens. Everybody is aware that if you spin the data this way or that on these sort of topics (broadly - social science with strong preformed views that tends to directly apply to oneself) that you can prove whatever you want, and all a plurality one way or the other demonstrates is the trending bias among those publishing in such a field. When people do change their minds on such topics it tends to be from lived wisdom rather than learned knowledge. Or starting to see such things through the perspective of your children, rather than yourself.
        fsflover 2y ago
        [flagged]
- michaelt 2y ago
  Yes, dreadful stuff. Unfortunately, for legislators to ban porn without breaking the constitution, they'd have to change the First Amendment. And there is a process for that! IMHO the constitution is due for an overhaul anyway - perhaps while they're at it, the legislators could also sort out those pesky school shootings with some tweaks to the Second Amendment?
  - Syonyk 2y ago
    There's a built in process to revise it that has been used repeatedly throughout the USA's history. Just don't assume that process would always go the way you'd prefer, different people have different opinions. Though they've been somewhat lacking since the 1970s.
Spivak 2y ago
Not sure I get the downvotes, this is a core tenant of evangelical conservatism which is now the dominant force of the GOP. Republicans might have a big tent but everyone else is getting squeezed out. The evolution of the US right has been happening since the tea party. It's been sad to see political Republicanism die out, they were a good counterbalance to center-left Democrats.
- Syonyk 2y ago
  I assume if you mention US political party names on HN, you get a pile of downvotes immediately, valid point or not. I'm not aware they're trying to make it actively illegal, though. Just at least marginally age gated to adults, which is far from the current situation of "If you have a browser and can type something that a search engine can correct into a porn search, you can access as much extreme content as you want, as long as you want, from wherever you want!" The average age of boys being exposed to porn is about 13, and the bottom end of the bell curve is disturbing.
  - deleted 2y ago
    [deleted]
  - talldayo 2y ago
    > The average age of boys being exposed to porn is about 13, and the bottom end of the bell curve is disturbing. The bottom end of the bell curve is a distraction. I remember kids sneaking porno mags into their backpacks in middle school and charging kids dimes and nickles to take a look. I watched Indiana Jones, James Bond and other pulpy films that pile sex onto the narrative with no adult supervision. I read books with chapters dedicated to graphic sexual depictions and violent conflict before I turned 15. The problem, as always, comes down to parenting. If you don't trust your child's own authority to select content that is healthy for them, then it's your responsibility to hire a babysitter or deliberately prevent them from using the internet. It's like complaining that your kid might cut off a finger because you gave them a jigsaw.
    - Syonyk 2y ago

amelius 2y ago

Land of the free ... for the people, not the corporations. Which is of course a good thing.