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How does someone even clean up this mess? One of the DOGE kids may have just cloned every repo and then connect the machine to public internet because they need

How does someone even clean up this mess? One of the DOGE kids may have just cloned every repo and then connect the machine to public internet because they need to fed it to an AI to figure out how things work. We can only assume the worst and that foreign adversaries may already be combing the code line by line. What will happen when PIIs of every individual with dealings with the Treasury gets leaked? Then there is going to be thousands of hours of meetings to review various processes...

nicce 2y ago
> One of the DOGE kids may have just cloned every repo and then connect the machine to public internet because they need to fed it to an AI to figure out how things work. May... https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/02/06/elon-musk-doge-ai-department-education/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/02/06/elon-musk-d...
- nelsonic 2y ago
  This is _exactly_ what overpriced management consultants would have done … the only question is which AI tools are they feeding the data to?
SV_BubbleTime 2y ago
I like how you are 100% convinced that this “a mess” and “we can only assume the worst” and that PII is compromised, etc. What actual facts do you have for anything? I understand why the media is mad, why NGOs, and why liberal politicians are mad, I get why foreign countries are mad. I’m interested in fraud and abuse, regardless of who does it. So if Musk’s team finds it, great, if they get caught committing it and have to deal with that, also great. But right now we know there is something broken. Instead of being mad about that, you are angry about hypotheticals that have not happened. Why is that?
- dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago
  How does Musk find "fraud and abuse" if he doesn't have access to the whole stack of decision making? It's not up to him to make those decisions, it's up to congress. Musk is just making up bullshit (I'm surprised he didn't say he was rooting out pedophiles) to justify his jihad against the public service.
  - genewitch 2y ago
    Lol congress that just had to have the Judiciary tell them they actually have to do their jobs and not let the agencies run roughshod? OK!
- WaxProlix 2y ago
  If you read the article, you might get some insight into the comments.
  - an_guy 2y ago
    > might... So you haven't found any insights regarding this?
- Fnoord 2y ago
  So, say in a few weeks, a massive fraud gets caught. Musk announces it, releases the documents. Who's to say these crooks didn't manipulate it? Same goes for achives of *.gov but those are public. So we can compare hashes independently from each other. With these private repos, we can't. Originals are getting burned. Hopefully there's solid offsite backups untouched.
  - kenjackson 2y ago
    Never thought of that. Any investigation from this group or this data is tainted now. Goodness.
    - matwood 2y ago
      Of course it’s tainted. The whole thing will be ‘trust us.’ The only source of most of what has been claimed to be ‘found’ so far is Musk’s Twitter account. Journalists cross referenced his first claims and found they were BS, so Musk will just get rid of the place people can cross reference. How this is ok with anyone, regardless of how they voted, is beyond me.
- metadat 2y ago
  For a list of concerns about events of late, please see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43003791 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43003791 Lots of really good, and as of yet, unanswered questions which shed some light on why/how Musk's claims of "waste" and his method of supposed resolution don't hold up to scrutiny.
jodrellblank 2y ago
> "What will happen when PIIs of every individual with dealings with the Treasury gets leaked?" We see what happens when big companies leak personal data - almost nothing. Maybe they give you 3 months of 'credit monitoring' or 'identity theft monitoring' service, maybe they write an apology press release. We've seen how Trump presents things, he quite realistically could say either "it was Democrats weak security, we're fixing it" or "hackers must have got it, we'll clean it up" or even "fake news" and then ... do nothing, we never hear about it again and the affected people deal with it as best they can. Why would you expect more than that to happen - a newspaper writes a damning article, lawsuits are filed, the news moves on in 24 hours. We saw how he reacted to COVID, it wasn't a world class good reaction.
- genewitch 2y ago
  Boy I sure would love to hear how you'd deal with a novel virus in a country as large as the US with as many people in it. How'd China do, since they're an authoritarian regime? When you reply, don't use the word "bleach" or "UV"
  - jodrellblank 2y ago
    I don't want to engage in your bad-faith trolling. Make a substantial comment. Compare Trump's response with other world leaders, other countries, and medical advisors' recommendations, and what you'd hope an ideal leader would do, leave me out of it, I'm not a part of a government's COVID response.
    - genewitch 2y ago
      there's only a couple of coutries that have the area/population demographics of the US. it isn't bad faith. what you're doing is conflating "The US" as just "any other country" when it isn't. we're the third or 4th largest area nation in the world. is it because you wanted to say bleach and UV? edit: "look what UK and denmark did!" is so completely irrelevant that it's ... not "good" faith to suggest it.

nicce 2y ago

> One of the DOGE kids may have just cloned every repo and then connect the machine to public internet because they need to fed it to an AI to figure out how things work. May... https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/02/06/elon-musk-doge-ai-department-education/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2025/02/06/elon-musk-d...

nelsonic 2y ago
This is _exactly_ what overpriced management consultants would have done … the only question is which AI tools are they feeding the data to?

SV_BubbleTime 2y ago

I like how you are 100% convinced that this “a mess” and “we can only assume the worst” and that PII is compromised, etc. What actual facts do you have for anything? I understand why the media is mad, why NGOs, and why liberal politicians are mad, I get why foreign countries are mad. I’m interested in fraud and abuse, regardless of who does it. So if Musk’s team finds it, great, if they get caught committing it and have to deal with that, also great. But right now we know there is something broken. Instead of being mad about that, you are angry about hypotheticals that have not happened. Why is that?

dkjaudyeqooe 2y ago
How does Musk find "fraud and abuse" if he doesn't have access to the whole stack of decision making? It's not up to him to make those decisions, it's up to congress. Musk is just making up bullshit (I'm surprised he didn't say he was rooting out pedophiles) to justify his jihad against the public service.
- genewitch 2y ago
  Lol congress that just had to have the Judiciary tell them they actually have to do their jobs and not let the agencies run roughshod? OK!
WaxProlix 2y ago
If you read the article, you might get some insight into the comments.
- an_guy 2y ago
  > might... So you haven't found any insights regarding this?
Fnoord 2y ago
So, say in a few weeks, a massive fraud gets caught. Musk announces it, releases the documents. Who's to say these crooks didn't manipulate it? Same goes for achives of *.gov but those are public. So we can compare hashes independently from each other. With these private repos, we can't. Originals are getting burned. Hopefully there's solid offsite backups untouched.
- kenjackson 2y ago
  Never thought of that. Any investigation from this group or this data is tainted now. Goodness.
  - matwood 2y ago
    Of course it’s tainted. The whole thing will be ‘trust us.’ The only source of most of what has been claimed to be ‘found’ so far is Musk’s Twitter account. Journalists cross referenced his first claims and found they were BS, so Musk will just get rid of the place people can cross reference. How this is ok with anyone, regardless of how they voted, is beyond me.
metadat 2y ago
For a list of concerns about events of late, please see: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43003791 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43003791 Lots of really good, and as of yet, unanswered questions which shed some light on why/how Musk's claims of "waste" and his method of supposed resolution don't hold up to scrutiny.

jodrellblank 2y ago

> "What will happen when PIIs of every individual with dealings with the Treasury gets leaked?" We see what happens when big companies leak personal data - almost nothing. Maybe they give you 3 months of 'credit monitoring' or 'identity theft monitoring' service, maybe they write an apology press release. We've seen how Trump presents things, he quite realistically could say either "it was Democrats weak security, we're fixing it" or "hackers must have got it, we'll clean it up" or even "fake news" and then ... do nothing, we never hear about it again and the affected people deal with it as best they can. Why would you expect more than that to happen - a newspaper writes a damning article, lawsuits are filed, the news moves on in 24 hours. We saw how he reacted to COVID, it wasn't a world class good reaction.

genewitch 2y ago
Boy I sure would love to hear how you'd deal with a novel virus in a country as large as the US with as many people in it. How'd China do, since they're an authoritarian regime? When you reply, don't use the word "bleach" or "UV"
- jodrellblank 2y ago
  I don't want to engage in your bad-faith trolling. Make a substantial comment. Compare Trump's response with other world leaders, other countries, and medical advisors' recommendations, and what you'd hope an ideal leader would do, leave me out of it, I'm not a part of a government's COVID response.
  - genewitch 2y ago
    there's only a couple of coutries that have the area/population demographics of the US. it isn't bad faith. what you're doing is conflating "The US" as just "any other country" when it isn't. we're the third or 4th largest area nation in the world. is it because you wanted to say bleach and UV? edit: "look what UK and denmark did!" is so completely irrelevant that it's ... not "good" faith to suggest it.