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> Also, why do I have to install new software in every couple of months to access my bank account, secure chat, flight booking system, etc., etc., without any n

> Also, why do I have to install new software in every couple of months to access my bank account, secure chat, flight booking system, etc., etc., without any noticable difference in operation and functionality. A lot of things unreasonably becoming incompatible with 'old' (we are talking about months for f's sake!!) versions. That's a nuisance and erosion of trust. Are you talking about security updates?

scarface_74 2y ago
And my other question, is why are constant updates a concern? It’s not like you have to get a stack of floppies and upgrade your software or even do anything manually. Everything auto updates. At least with iOS, iOS 18 supports devices introduced since 2018 and iOS 16 just got a security update late last year and that supports phones back to 2017.
- eviks 2y ago
  The obvious answer is because update can break your workflow or waste your time in other ways
  - sadeshmukh 2y ago
    How?
    - econ 2y ago
      You should be able to write something and have it work for the next 1000 years. There is no reason why it can't. I imagine a simple architecture where each application has its own crappy CPU some memory and some storage with frozen specs. Imagine 1960 and your toaster gains control over your washing machine. Why are they even in the same box?
      - scarface_74 2y ago
        And your needs and technogy doesn’t change in 1000 years? Does it really make sense in 2025 to use Quicken (?) with a dialup modem that calls into my bank once a day to update my balances like I did in 1996? Imagine 1960 and your toaster gains control over your washing machine. Why are they even in the same box? Imagine in 2002 your MP3 Player, your portable TV, your camera, your flashlight, your GPS receiver, your computer you use to browse the web, and your phone being the same device…
        caspper69 2y ago
        > Does it really make sense to use Quicken (?) with a dialup modem that called into my bank once a day to update my balances like I did in 1996 Well, the modern hot garbage Intuit forces people to use takes 5-15 seconds to save a transaction, 3-5 seconds to mark a transaction as cleared by the bank, it sometimes completely errors out with no useful message and no recourse other than "try again", has random UI glitches such as matched transactions not being removed from the list of transactions to match once matched (wtf?), and is an abject failure at actually matching those transactions without hitting "Find matches", because for whatever reason the software can't seem to figure out that the $2182.77 transaction from the bank matches the only $2182.77 transaction in the ledger. That one really gets my goat, because seriously, WTF guys? Not to mention the random failure of the interface to show correct totals at random inopportune moments. Oh, and it costs 5x as much on an annual basis. I sure would take that 1996 version with some updated aesthetics and a switch to web-based transaction downloading versus the godawful steaming pile of shit we have now- every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Hands down. This idea that we've made progress is absolutely laughable. Every single interaction is now slower to start, has built-in latency at every step of the process, and is fragile as hell to boot because the interface is running on the framework-du-jour in javascript. Baby Jesus weeps for the workflows forced upon people nowadays. I mean seriously, have none of you 20-somethings never used a true native (non-Electron) application before?
        scarface_74 2y ago
        The modern way to check your balance is just go to a website, use an app on your phone or just have it show up on your watch.
    - eviks 2y ago
      By removing a feature you use, by breaking said feature, by changing UI, requiring relearning, by introducing a new bug, etc - the possibilities are infinite, just use your imagination and rely on your experience using software!
- mihaaly 2y ago
  Because the f up existing feature we rely on! That's why! They use it to push garbage on you!
derangedHorse 2y ago
> without any noticable difference in operation and functionality Presumably a security update would mean a difference in operation somewhere. They were probably referring to the updates that just exist to add ads, promos, design changes, etc.
mihaaly 2y ago
I am talking about getting outdated and inoperable frequently, several software. I wouldn't blame it on security, as many of them do. ...or if it is true, this mass security issues emerging from their design, then the situation is even worse than just being lazy ignorant bastards.... or perhaps the mass security problems are related to this incompetence as well?... oi!
superjan 2y ago
Well, why was the initial release insecure in the first place?
- chikere232 2y ago
  Because security is hard and there are people constantly working on finding new issues. It's a bit like asking why the army needs tanks when horses worked well the previous war

scarface_74 2y ago

And my other question, is why are constant updates a concern? It’s not like you have to get a stack of floppies and upgrade your software or even do anything manually. Everything auto updates. At least with iOS, iOS 18 supports devices introduced since 2018 and iOS 16 just got a security update late last year and that supports phones back to 2017.

eviks 2y ago
The obvious answer is because update can break your workflow or waste your time in other ways
- sadeshmukh 2y ago
  How?
  - econ 2y ago
    You should be able to write something and have it work for the next 1000 years. There is no reason why it can't. I imagine a simple architecture where each application has its own crappy CPU some memory and some storage with frozen specs. Imagine 1960 and your toaster gains control over your washing machine. Why are they even in the same box?
    - scarface_74 2y ago
      And your needs and technogy doesn’t change in 1000 years? Does it really make sense in 2025 to use Quicken (?) with a dialup modem that calls into my bank once a day to update my balances like I did in 1996? Imagine 1960 and your toaster gains control over your washing machine. Why are they even in the same box? Imagine in 2002 your MP3 Player, your portable TV, your camera, your flashlight, your GPS receiver, your computer you use to browse the web, and your phone being the same device…
      - caspper69 2y ago
        > Does it really make sense to use Quicken (?) with a dialup modem that called into my bank once a day to update my balances like I did in 1996 Well, the modern hot garbage Intuit forces people to use takes 5-15 seconds to save a transaction, 3-5 seconds to mark a transaction as cleared by the bank, it sometimes completely errors out with no useful message and no recourse other than "try again", has random UI glitches such as matched transactions not being removed from the list of transactions to match once matched (wtf?), and is an abject failure at actually matching those transactions without hitting "Find matches", because for whatever reason the software can't seem to figure out that the $2182.77 transaction from the bank matches the only $2182.77 transaction in the ledger. That one really gets my goat, because seriously, WTF guys? Not to mention the random failure of the interface to show correct totals at random inopportune moments. Oh, and it costs 5x as much on an annual basis. I sure would take that 1996 version with some updated aesthetics and a switch to web-based transaction downloading versus the godawful steaming pile of shit we have now- every day of the week and twice on Sunday. Hands down. This idea that we've made progress is absolutely laughable. Every single interaction is now slower to start, has built-in latency at every step of the process, and is fragile as hell to boot because the interface is running on the framework-du-jour in javascript. Baby Jesus weeps for the workflows forced upon people nowadays. I mean seriously, have none of you 20-somethings never used a true native (non-Electron) application before?
        scarface_74 2y ago
        The modern way to check your balance is just go to a website, use an app on your phone or just have it show up on your watch.
  - eviks 2y ago
    By removing a feature you use, by breaking said feature, by changing UI, requiring relearning, by introducing a new bug, etc - the possibilities are infinite, just use your imagination and rely on your experience using software!
mihaaly 2y ago
Because the f up existing feature we rely on! That's why! They use it to push garbage on you!

derangedHorse 2y ago

> without any noticable difference in operation and functionality Presumably a security update would mean a difference in operation somewhere. They were probably referring to the updates that just exist to add ads, promos, design changes, etc.

mihaaly 2y ago

I am talking about getting outdated and inoperable frequently, several software. I wouldn't blame it on security, as many of them do. ...or if it is true, this mass security issues emerging from their design, then the situation is even worse than just being lazy ignorant bastards.... or perhaps the mass security problems are related to this incompetence as well?... oi!

superjan 2y ago

Well, why was the initial release insecure in the first place?

chikere232 2y ago
Because security is hard and there are people constantly working on finding new issues. It's a bit like asking why the army needs tanks when horses worked well the previous war