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I personally think it says volumes about how those in the Trump-Musk group (Musk group?) see this. They see the task as infiltrating an adversary, requiring som
by derbOac 2y ago
I personally think it says volumes about how those in the Trump-Musk group (Musk group?) see this. They see the task as infiltrating an adversary, requiring someone with the technical skills to do so but who is also disposable. This in their mind is not about improving anything in the government for citizens, or with regard to US interests, it's about gaining access to a hostile entity without regard to their interests or the long-term interests of the persons actually doing the activity. It doesn't matter if they compromise US security, because the US is a hostile adversary, and they don't want to deal with people who might hesitate because of families or a reputation to uphold. If this person gets in trouble for security breaches or racism or whatever, they just fire them and replace them with another 19 year old with nothing left to lose and/or plenty of time left to go another path later.
- relaxing 2y agoThat’s generally true of political operatives. The problem here is having such activities in his past makes him an exploitable by criminal organizations or foreign adversaries who would seek the sensitive information he now has access to.
- ttyprintk 2y agoSecond point is fair. First point is not even true of the Watergate burglars. What makes crime indistinguishable from politics here is the recent ruling on presidential immunity.
- relaxing 2y agoI’ve lost track of the argument here. I was actually thinking of Hunt and Liddy, who did nothing of worth after their infamy. I don’t think the actual burglars did either?
- blackeyeblitzar 2y ago[flagged]
- honkycat 2y ago[flagged]
- ty6853 2y agoThe money you paid for social security was lost pretty much the moment you paid it. There is little left to lose, it's a redistribution scheme rather than a savings scheme.
- catlifeonmars 2y agoFWIW I think we need both? Agree that the latter is severely lacking in the US. And maybe in some distant future post-scarcity society we would not have a need for a savings scheme.
- cvalka 2y agoAny pension scheme is a redistribution scheme.
- amazingamazing 2y agowhy?
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- AnimalMuppet 2y ago> They see the task as infiltrating an adversary, requiring someone with the technical skills to do so but who is also disposable. People who have had access to that kind of data, and who have those kinds of skills, you'd better be careful about how you dispose of them. (Consider the term "blowback".)
- KPGv2 2y agocome on, your average 1337 h4x0r does not have a criminal syndicate ready to exact revenge for their fallen comrade
- ttyprintk 2y agoSeems more likely that this can be completely subdued when the outcome of swatting is not a nuisance, but a conveniently extra-judicial raid by armed militia.
- Applejinx 2y agoOr indeed that they are a hostile adversary to the US who have achieved some successes adversarial to the US. I feel like from the perspective of the US, if we frame this conflict/battle for control of US services and computer systems, we needn't say 'the US is a hostile adversary'. It's fair to frame it as 'the US is the US, and the people seizing control of the systems against the interests of the US are hostile adversaries of the US'. The specifics of who they're working for, how, why etc. can still be up for speculation or further discovery, but we needn't frame it as 'perhaps the US is actually the enemy and Musk's people are actually the liberators'.
- lmm 2y ago[flagged]
- drawkward 2y agoDOGE is the deep state: unelected, unaccountable, unconstitutional. President Trusk does not care at all about anything but enriching and empowering himself.
- lmm 2y ago> DOGE is the deep state: unelected, unaccountable, unconstitutional They're carrying out the platform the president was elected on, and he'll very much be accountable for the results. The very fact that they're in the news and being talked about is the opposite of the deep state.
- drawkward 2y agoThey do not have the right to do the things they are doing, in the way it is being done. You are normalizing the abnormal.
- lightbendover 2y agoYou do not know with any degree of certainty what their motivations are. In fact, the utter disdain they demonstrate for certain US citizens dismantles your entire claim.
- lexandstuff 2y agoTo the absolute contrary. They do it because of the contempt they have for the average US citizen. These people now in power believe their interests come first because, in their minds, they are inherently superior to most people by birthright.
- lmm 2y ago[flagged]
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- HumblyTossed 2y ago> I personally think it says volumes about how those in the Trump-Musk group (Musk group?) see this. It's more the Musk, Thiel, Vance Group. Trump is simply a tool.
- DFHippie 2y agoHe wields the sharpie. He's basically a notary public.
- marcusverus 2y ago> I personally think it says volumes about how those in the Trump-Musk group (Musk group?) see this. They see the task as infiltrating an adversary.. This is what actual schizophrenia looks like.
- ModernMech 2y agoSeriously yes. Having lived with someone who is schizoaffective, I recognize what is happening to America as an acute manic episode with psychosis and hallucinations.