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Curious that you're picking 1 aspect of the dire prediction of this climate scientist, which contains more things than just the AMOC. The "digested by journalis

Curious that you're picking 1 aspect of the dire prediction of this climate scientist, which contains more things than just the AMOC. The "digested by journalists" summary of that paper: https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/feb/04/climate-change-target-of-2c-is-dead-says-renowned-climate-scientist https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2025/feb/04/climate-... It also mentions some scientists who doubt the conclusion, that the 2 degree target is dead. As a doom-and-gloomer I'll buy what James Hansen is saying though, IMO the scientists are underestimating how quickly it'll get worse.

janice1999 2y ago
I really hope they are wrong or I'll be underwater. AMOC models are based on close-to-surface temperatures so there is so some dissent about how accurate they are. It's probably just a matter of time though. Personally I think panic will eventually set in and we'll be forced to watch governments attempt geo-engineering. I am not optimistic.
- netsharc 2y ago
  This paper's title is asking if the UN and public are well-informed enough. I wish there's a more "sociology/anthropoligical look at what happens when things break down" research. Yeah, panic is surely coming, although I feel like desperate attempts at geo-engineering are better than doing nothing, although I suppose a "That thing we did 20 years ago? If we hadn't done that we wouldn't have doomed the entire planet." would be a massive oops. The worsening climate is already causing conflict and displacing people, e.g. in Syria [1] or North Africa in general [2], now they're in Europe and the Nazis don't like them, causing a drift rightwards (a sort of understandable one, from the point of selfishness, in times of trouble (be it real or perceived) you want to keep yourself safe, and then your family, and then your tribe). [1] https://www.dw.com/en/how-climate-change-paved-the-way-to-war-in-syria/a-56711650 https://www.dw.com/en/how-climate-change-paved-the-way-to-wa... [2] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-and-rising-food-prices-heightened-arab-spring/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-an...
api 2y ago
James Hansen has been a very vocal Neo-malthusian doomer forever. Not saying this means he's wrong, just that he's got a clear point of view.

janice1999 2y ago

I really hope they are wrong or I'll be underwater. AMOC models are based on close-to-surface temperatures so there is so some dissent about how accurate they are. It's probably just a matter of time though. Personally I think panic will eventually set in and we'll be forced to watch governments attempt geo-engineering. I am not optimistic.

netsharc 2y ago
This paper's title is asking if the UN and public are well-informed enough. I wish there's a more "sociology/anthropoligical look at what happens when things break down" research. Yeah, panic is surely coming, although I feel like desperate attempts at geo-engineering are better than doing nothing, although I suppose a "That thing we did 20 years ago? If we hadn't done that we wouldn't have doomed the entire planet." would be a massive oops. The worsening climate is already causing conflict and displacing people, e.g. in Syria [1] or North Africa in general [2], now they're in Europe and the Nazis don't like them, causing a drift rightwards (a sort of understandable one, from the point of selfishness, in times of trouble (be it real or perceived) you want to keep yourself safe, and then your family, and then your tribe). [1] https://www.dw.com/en/how-climate-change-paved-the-way-to-war-in-syria/a-56711650 https://www.dw.com/en/how-climate-change-paved-the-way-to-wa... [2] https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-and-rising-food-prices-heightened-arab-spring/ https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/climate-change-an...

api 2y ago

James Hansen has been a very vocal Neo-malthusian doomer forever. Not saying this means he's wrong, just that he's got a clear point of view.